And even the resident jagbag has chimed in.........

I must say that I agree with the cedia nonsense... I have been installing for as long as I could drive a car, and we do full custom design and installs, and none of us are "CEDIA" certified.

An installer has it in his, or her blood... and has nothing to do with being certified or not. To tell you the truth, it would make no difference to my customers or anyone else for that matter, what really matters is if your reputable and do quality work, also someone who has been in the game, and paid thier dues.


audioslayve

sorry not me..... i do know who he is and thank god i am not him....he's an ugly toad.

Yeah, I have noticed that in the past too. Of course, ceied denies all knowledge.

Only 2 people on this board know whos he is?

Jag bag and ceied, that's who.

Who you trying to kid?

Actually, there are a lot of great installation firms out there that treat their employees very well, financially and otherwise. I have worked for a couple of great audio production companies that really took care of us as well. If you really feel that loyalty means nothing, you will be neither a good employee or a good boss. While this is definitely business and we're all here to make money, I think most would agree that this industry doesn't carry the typical disconnected "corporate" mindset or attitude that plagues some other industries.

amen to that

I too will be happy to talk to you. I am in Florida and my email is pretty easy to find. You surely won't get rich and after 3 years working for me (eith a bachelor's degree/ 6 years without) you would be qualified to take Florida as well as many othe state's contractors license exams.

I was on the fence reading this whole deal right up until you wrote this. I wouldn't touch you even with Clark's 10 foot pole. If you really think "loyalty means nothing" you would end being somewhere between useless & more likely cancerous in my shop. I've been "loyal" to my employees, clients and venders for 31 years. Have guys that have been with me for 15-30 years. Very little turnover for a good reason.


No beer for you.

It's a strange combination of arrogance & ignorance that you're already planning to start your own business and "make the big bucks" when you still suck at this. And Yes, you do by definition still suck at this. It's impossible not to at your stage.

So you all know ive been with the same company for the past 10 years. So loyalty means alot to me, if im treated well and have a chance to make an honest living for a great employer then i would have no problem staying at one place and making a living there. All im saying is that if i was stuck at a place with lots of experience down the road with someone who isnt willing to compensate me for my knowledge...keep in mind i said down the road not today! Then yes i have to do whats right for my family if i have to move on and do something on my own then thats what i would do. So if that means then that certain people wouldnt hire me cause thats a possibilty than thats their loss and yes me a guy with no experience is saying its their loss, cause im loyal to a fault and would bust my a$$ and be the best worker any one of you would have.

Not trying to arrogant at all and i know im ignorant to probably alot in the business
but i am confident in myself cause who would want to hire some who isnt confident in what they are doing.

Put it this way guys my family (wife and 2 daughters) are the only people i have to answer to in this world. I have a responsibility to them to give them the best life i can. So to be dead honest i personally dont care what people think of me anymore i know what i can do and cant do, i know im a quick learner and a hard worker. I would be a huge assest to anyone i worked for and if some people dont want me thats life cause not everyone is going to be a correct fit. So i value your opinions but your sadly mistaken as to your take on me.

Thanks for that input STARECASE, im glad to hear that there are places like that out there as i would love to get on with a company like that. All i can say is im in it for the money and if im being compensated properly in the future when i have experience then there is probably no chance at me leaving. And yes ive been in the corporate world for the past 10 years and i know that loyalty means nothing there, im glad to hear from most of you that this business is a totally different mindset. Cause loyalty is probably one of my best assests, i know it didnt sound like it.

Thanks CCD, ill shoot you out an email.

Oh yeah and before anyone mentions it, i realize i have no experience
so i dont expect to make a ton of money for a good long time.

Remember, it also depends on the environment and the perceived value of your contribution and ability, but you know this and have lived this in a different industry.

Thanks FRR, glad to see that some people are glad to offer positive help and comments. I appreciate it. Truely i do.

payton i'm going to be nice. I have been in this field for three year still have trouble with installs sometime. you don't know so of the harder parts of the job because you have not been in any of our shoes. the hard part of this job is picking out equitment that works together and is easliy automated. I'm cedia level 1 going back for level2 in a few weeks I'm also thx, universal remote, rti 1,2and 3. I worked tech support for a remote company and would talk to lost installers every day it's kill is industry. like some one else said start as the company gopher and work you way up for there.