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Who would be interested in a "real" IR control solution for the PS3?
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Post 91 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 07:27
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thanks dan

my question on usb was for control charging and

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OP | Post 92 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 07:38
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oex: Ah, I see, an off topic question! ;-) I've heard that 25 foot cables can work (non-active). Lag wouldn't be an issue, but if it gets too long then there can be data issues. I've also heard that there are CAT5 based USB extenders... might do what you want.
Post 93 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 10:13
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On January 17, 2008 at 01:05, Daniel Tonks said...
Discrete off is a bit trickier, but an "auto off" routine
has been included which will automatically play a macro
back (from within the remote) that sends the commands
necessary to turn the PS3 off. However, if the PS3 is
already off then the "auto off" will end up turning it
on. There was simply no way to improve this situation.

Has there been an improvement to The Others method on the "off" routine. Or does it still rely on the PS3 being at the proper spot in the menus?

On January 17, 2008 at 07:09, dinom said...
Actually, you can improve the situation by using a control
system from RTI or URC that has power or video sensing.
That way you only issue the off command when the unit
is on.

Sensing doesn't help if you aren't in the proper location for the macro to operate. (unless it has been improved since this thread started) If your not in the proper location of the PS3's OS menus the off macro will continue to trip over itself. This has been discussed already earlier on within this thread.
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Post 94 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 21:38
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Ben-

I have a rack full of equipment and only 2 remotes (iPronto + PS3). I'd love to get that down to one (and it won't be the PS3 remote).

Sign me up when you are ready to ship to the USA. I'll email my contact info to you.

Mark
Post 95 made on Friday January 18, 2008 at 11:08
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On January 17, 2008 at 01:05, Daniel Tonks said...
4) Discrete power control is generally impossible since
the Bluetooth remote does not have this capability natively,
and the added circuit has no way of knowing whether the
PS3 is on or off. With that said - any press of any key
will turn the PS3 on, just like the Bluetooth remote.
Discrete off is a bit trickier, but an "auto off" routine
has been included which will automatically play a macro
back (from within the remote) that sends the commands
necessary to turn the PS3 off. However, if the PS3 is
already off then the "auto off" will end up turning it
on. There was simply no way to improve this situation.

If I recall correctly, "ping " works when the PS3 is off, and fails if it is in standby mode. I have a Pronto TSU9400, so maybe ProntoScript code can be used to ping the PS3 to determine its state, and then only send the PS3 off macro if it is on. Then, if it is still on (maybe the context was wrong for the macro), reissue another kind of power off macro ... ?
Post 96 made on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 14:35
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The PS3IR+PWR is shipping to enthusiastic response. The base version PS3IRX1 is also shipping sans the power switching. Both units have full and fast support (by me). In fact answering emails is one of my favorite things to do. Especially since mostly I get happy emails from someone who just installed their new device.

Many of my customers have owned the Bluwave before. It's not so bad since they fixed the arrow keys I guess.

The PS3IR devices have the same Piano Black shiny finish as the PS3 and fit snuggly up against the contour of the front panel. They look like part of the PS3 when installed.

As for IR to Bluetooth, I will soon have a model that joins up the PS3IR technology with the guts of the Sony PS3 remote. It is aimed at the higher end market so it won't be cheap. But from my experiments in the lab, it will be sweet!

I am currently building and testing every unit myself. The first 1500 or so were fun! But, starting tomorrow I am having a local Austin company build and ship the devices for me. I just couldn't keep up with the demand (Iím pooped). Yesterday I processed orders from January 2nd for example. This will soon allow me to focus on getting my Bluetooth prototype turned into a product I can build in bulk.

Sorry for the long post but I had a bit of catching up to do. Iíve been just posting on AVS but one of my great customers pointed me here when he saw the Bluetooth comments. There may be someone else doing an IR to Bluetooth device but, I thought Iíd put my two cents in. And no, Iím not going to accept pre-orders this time. I want to do a smaller Beta test group first to fine tune the new product. Then Iíll do a full product rollout. Iíve learned my lesson on the PS3IR+PWR. I had over 250 pre-orders. Iím still catching up.

Mike

Last edited by Schmartz on January 19, 2008 18:48.
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Post 97 made on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 14:54
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To save some people some time I did the leg work. Her's what his device looks like on it's own and installed...

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His description is as follows:
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IMPORTANT NOTE: You must enable remote start to enable the power ON feature of this device. Currently, you must pair a PSP device with your PS3 before the remote start option can be enabled. So, you must obtain a PSP (or borrow one temporarily) to enable the power On feature. However, the power OFF feature will work without remote start mode enabled.

The PS3IR+PWR (Patent Pending) looks exactly like the PS3IRX1 and it runs an upgraded version of the same firmware. I have added the circuit necessary to simulate front panel touch events to allow for turning the PS3 ON and OFF. With this unit, the standard Sony DVD Power IR code can now be used to toggle the PS3 power ON/OFF.

A small sticker must be applied over the front panel [0/1] touch key area. This sticker is connected to the device with a tiny black wire. The sticker has the same [0/1] graphic and matches the color and texture of the original front panel as much as possible. This area can still be touched to manually turn the PS3 ON and OFF. No modification of the PS3 is needed. The sticker can be removed later if desired.

This device accepts PS2 and Sony DVD compatible IR commands and converts them to PS3 game controller key presses via USB.
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Isn't this the same thing as the USB dongle/PS2 solution people have been doing for some time? Note that he claims that there is a "remote power on option" for the PS3. Daniel, Others, can either of you two elaborate on what he is trying to do or done here?
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Post 98 made on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 19:07
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On January 19, 2008 at 14:54, smokinghot said...
Isn't this the same thing as the USB dongle/PS2 solution
people have been doing for some time? Note that he claims
that there is a "remote power on option" for the PS3.
Daniel, Others, can either of you two elaborate on what
he is trying to do or done here?

Yes, I've been shipping since March of 2007. I bought a PS3 and wanted a cleaner solution than the PS2 dongle combo.

Even though I've been looking into a BT solution since last summer ( and have applied for a patent on everything including the BT version already), it seemed like the BT would be expensive. So I spent some time refining the look and put out a version with the wire that spoofs a front panel key touch as an interim solution. The bonus is that I can provide discrete power On and power off commands at a lower cost. I am surprised at the number of orders though. I didn't think very many people would want a wire and a sticker on the front panel. I was so wrong. I have been overwhelmed with orders. And everyone seems happy. Go figure...

Since it's just me in the lab, this has delayed the release of the BT version by several months. Now I'm finally back to it. It is in my opinion a cleaner solution. I have waisted valuable time attempting to get Sony to put in the support via USB. That would be the cleanest and cheapest solution. But so far, I've had no luck with any cooperation from Sony. I have support for the home key built-in to the PS3IR units but until Sony enables my USB VID for this feature in a future PS3 firmware relaease, it isn't enabled.
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Post 99 made on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 19:18
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Hi Mike,

Maybe you don't recall but I contact you for you original USB device in last October. I was asking you if it was possible to ship to Canada. Unfortunately you were not ready for that. This is what kicks me in the b... to start reworking the original BlueTooth remote and add an internal logic to do IR to BlueTooth. And sincerely it was really fun to do.

Some questions for you?

Is the USB power is maintained in PowerOFF state? If not, I'm guessing power is coming from batteries.

Any plan on adding support for more code set? Custom ones?

Can you switch to other code set to prevent conflict with other Sony devices?

How safe is the master power off from the front panel depending on console state?


I'm happy for you that business is catching up. I haven't ship yet on my side but demands is there for a solution.



To everyone, regardless of the solution there is hope to fix well Sony's mistake. BTW in my opinion Sony may very well do exactly what I did and sell that as an external black box (probably cheaper than the original BD remote). This is my conclusion of my past 2 months of works on this.

Ben
Post 100 made on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 20:39
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Hey Ben,

I just wanted to add that I love the potential in your solution. I have e-mailed your hotmail address to put my name on the list but, with all due respect to Mike, I prefer the elegance of your solution to the notion of sticking a wire to the Power button.
Post 101 made on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 22:48
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On January 19, 2008 at 20:39, Johnny Canuck said...
Hey Ben,

I just wanted to add that I love the potential in your
solution. I have e-mailed your hotmail address to put
my name on the list but, with all due respect to Mike,
I prefer the elegance of your solution to the notion of
sticking a wire to the Power button.

Thanks for your support. I'm not abandonning at all. I'm currently implementing even more features in respond to Daniel's comments.
Post 102 made on Sunday January 20, 2008 at 07:50
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While I agree the look isn't elegant, Mike's is the only solution right now with true discrete power on/off. This works regardless of the current state of the PS3.

Dino

On January 19, 2008 at 20:39, Johnny Canuck said...
Hey Ben,

I just wanted to add that I love the potential in your
solution. I have e-mailed your hotmail address to put
my name on the list but, with all due respect to Mike,
I prefer the elegance of your solution to the notion of
sticking a wire to the Power button.
Post 103 made on Sunday January 20, 2008 at 14:15
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I didn't mean to suggest anything negative about Mike's solution. You're right about what it offers ... was just expressing my personal preference for the approach that Ben's taking.
OP | Post 104 made on Monday January 21, 2008 at 19:28
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Post 105 made on Wednesday January 23, 2008 at 19:45
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Read the article, Ben looks extremely interesting, but one question that I have. Is the power adapter just for the added circuitry or would it power the remote as well?
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