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Who would be interested in a "real" IR control solution for the PS3?
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OP | Post 136 made on Monday February 25, 2008 at 17:03
Daniel Tonks
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On February 25, 2008 at 15:05, smokinghot said...
He has preprogrammed
a macro that will perform a power off, however you need
to be at a certain place within the PS3's menus for it
to work.

The only real catch to the macro working is you can't be in a game.
Post 137 made on Monday February 25, 2008 at 21:13
The Others
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Hi everyone,

It has been a while since my last post. Reason ... too busy finding solutions for the Rev 2. Well, I ordered my new PCBs today.

- The box: 3.6" x 2.6" x 0.83" (92mm x 66mm x 21mm) in black.

- IR plastic face place

- Power in via Mini Type A jack, [Link: thesourcecc.com]

- Easy to manufacture

- Easy to assemble in the box

- DIY is definitelly possible

- Totally solderless solution for DIY

- Same functionnality as the Rev 1


Again, Daniel Tonks will be the first lucky one.


Ben
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PS: I now have to work on www.ir4ps3.com
Post 138 made on Monday February 25, 2008 at 22:45
Stealth X
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i'm in no rush... just wondering. :-)

not sure if i mentioned in my email, i live in toronto AND know a few french words... ;-)
Post 139 made on Monday February 25, 2008 at 23:29
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On February 25, 2008 at 11:50, smokinghot said...
At least you corrected yourself in the above.

Please do not spread lies. You know full well that there
isn't a discrete off function available for the PS3 with
or without the product you are using. Someone can easily
take what you've posted at face value. I know from previous
posts "The Others" or Ben, doesn't want people mislead.

My apologies...
To be more specific, the IR4PS3 supports discrete on/off codes. The PS3 doesn't
Given that we're in a thread discussing the IR4PS3, and not the PS3 specifically, I don't feel that I have "spread lies".
Post 140 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 00:41
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On February 25, 2008 at 23:29, sierra055 said...
My apologies...

To be more specific, the IR4PS3 supports discrete on/off
codes. The PS3 doesn't
Given that we're in a thread discussing the IR4PS3, and
not the PS3 specifically, I don't feel that I have "spread
lies".

On December 11, 2007 at 20:58, The Others said...
Let me clarify the ‘Power ON’ & ‘Power OFF’

First of all the ‘Power ON’ is a no issue because any
keys of the Sony PS3 BD remote wake up the PS3. So I mapped
the ‘Power ON’ in the Logitech Harmony 880 settings to
‘X’.

So the IR code for "X" is being used for the power on command. That's not a discrete power on code.

As explained above a discreet ‘Power ON’ (Sony:26.218.46)
is not really required but can be map also to the PS button.

Even the above is just the Sony IR code he could choose to receive with his device to implement the "X" command of the PS3 remote. The (sony:26.218.46) isn't a bluetooth command, it's a IR command. Keep in mind, that there isn't any discrete power functions on the PS3 remote. Therefore there cannot be any discrete power control using Ben's device. This is a work around, not a discrete.

However with a discreet ‘Power OFF’ (Sony:26.218.47) my
SW in my mod could do all steps, including the ‘X’, to
complete the shutdown. No macros required in IR remote
in this case.

Read what I wrote above. The same applies...

I didn't mean to ruffle feathers with the "spreading lies" comment, but you do know how the IR4PS3 functions, so you know that there is no discrete power ability. For for you to say otherwise is a lie by definition.

I'm very confused on how you can say the IR4PS3 supports discrete power commands when there is none to be had to begin with. If you're saying that Ben could map his device to use the 26.218.46 sony discrete code to turn on the PS3 ("X" button), that really is no different then him choosing a Denon discrete command to perform the same function, (still the "X" button). Ben's device looks for whatever code he wants it to (he developed it), to do whatever operation he wants. The IR4PS3 cannot do anything more than what the PS3 remote already does.

This thread is about discussing "a real IR control solution for the PS3". So suggesting the support for discrete power when there is no discrete power to support is misleading. Even still, the IR4PS3 is what..... say 80% a PS3 remote that has never had the ability of discrete power. Which would still make your claims wrong from the get go if we used your line of reasoning concerning this thread's topic.
....Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Post 141 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 02:58
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Ben is by far the best person here to comment on how he has achieved what he has.
I am not sure how he has handled the codes to turn the unit on and off, but I do not believe it is mapped to X.
The reason for this is that I cannot press X on my pronto to turn the unit on, nor any other button except the "on" code. Is this not a discrete function?
There is an option to allow any button press to turn the unit on, in my situation, I prefer leaving only the "on"code to do this.

Off as I said in my original post, is done via a macro sequence embedded in Ben's code. It works fine in video mode, whether disk or streaming, as Daniel said above, it just doesn't work in a game.

I apologise to anyone who was mislead by my statement, I was merely trying to answer a persons question.
OP | Post 142 made on Tuesday February 26, 2008 at 03:05
Daniel Tonks
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"Discrete on" is easy, the difficulty is "discrete off". So, a combination variable and macro workaround was created and is handled completely by his circuit.

No, it's not a 100% foolproof solution, but it's absolutely as good as can be obtained from something that has no way of knowing what the ACTUAL power status of the PS3 is. However, most of the potential "out of sync" situations can be easily solved by sending the POWER ON code followed by the POWER OFF code.

Worse case the unit is left on - a better situation then it not coming on in the first place! :-)
Post 143 made on Wednesday February 27, 2008 at 06:59
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Hi, l have tried contacting Ben for his remote solution at [email protected] but the email keeps bouncing back. Does anyone have any other way of contactying him?

Regards,
Mark
Post 144 made on Wednesday February 27, 2008 at 18:15
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On February 27, 2008 at 06:59, uwish351 said...
Hi, l have tried contacting Ben for his remote solution
at [email protected] but the email keeps bouncing back.
Does anyone have any other way of contactying him?

Regards,
Mark

Hum! In the last 5 weeks I got over 800 emails, so the address should be good. I even received email from Logitech support yesterday.
Post 145 made on Wednesday February 27, 2008 at 21:26
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Hi everyone,

Please let me clarify the ON/OFF situation with IR4PS3 and the PS3.

It is true that the original Sony BD remote don’t have a true discreet ‘PowerON’ and ‘PowerOFF’. The power ON is accomplish by pressing any key on the remote. The power OFF in another hand is done by a sequence of keys. This is not imposed by the original Sony BD remote itself but by the Operating System (OS) of the PS3.

No one else than Sony engineers can change this behavior. A hypothetical suggestion would be that in the system setup, an option is present to offer:
A-the classic shutdown method (PS + X + X)
B-A discreet shutdown method (for example if PS is press and hold for two seconds) that will handle the closure with no user intervention. Similar to the operation of the 0/1 button on the PS3 face plate. This is definitely not a big feature to add in the OS. But I don’t think who ever complain here in that forum will succeed influencing Sony.

To prevent any further semantic confusion to the purist I will not use the word ‘discreet’ but ‘simulated’ instead.

Now let’s talk about IR4PS3 case. IR4PS3 accept the two extra simulated codes ‘PowerON’ and ‘PowerOFF’. For many Sony DVD players these codes are 26.xxx.46 and 26.xxx.47. So IR4PS3 respond in the following manners:

A-IR4PS3 tracks ‘PowerON’ and ‘PowerOFF’ to prevent a power ON via ‘PowerOFF’ (if you go back in this thread it was mentioned a ‘PowerOFF’ could power ON - this have been resolved in the early days of the Rev 1, before I even ship one)
B-When off, if desired, any key (except ‘PowerOFF’) may power on the system. This is the same behavior as the original Sony BD remote.
C-In opposition to B-, it is possible to setup IR4PS3 to exclusively response to ‘PowerON’ in power OFF state.
D-‘PowerON’ is not map to ‘X’, it is map to PS but for a very short duration. As already mentioned this is the easy case.
E-The ‘PowerOFF’ is a sequence embedded in IR4PS3 to execute the STOP + PS + X + X.
F-Some timing adjustments can be done in the ‘PowerOFF’ sequence when setting up IR4PS4. These adjustments are there in case Sony change the timing of the OS.
G-Transmission of the ‘PowerOFF’ IR code to IR4PS3 may last just 45 mSec even though the whole shutdown process may last for seconds. IR4PS3 blocks any IR reception while the ‘PowerOFF’ is in progress.
H-When ‘PowerOFF’ sequence is done, IR4PS3 assume the PS3 is off.
I-Because the power OFF sequence for a game is different than media playback it is assume that ‘PowerOFF’ can’t be used in the mode. User must exit the game before the ‘PowerOFF’.
J-If Sony ever implements that hypothetical short power OFF method, the ‘PowerOFF’ sequence would still work because the last two X will be ignored during the shutdown process that is not instantaneous.

To conclude on this,

In the perspective of the PS3 BlueTooth, there is NO discreet ‘PowerON’ and ‘PowerOFF’. And I will never claim there is such thing.

In the perspective of the Universal Infra-Red remote, simulated ‘PowerON’ and ‘PowerOFF’ exist. And this is achieved by IR4PS3.

I repeat it again, TRUE IR solution may only comes by Sony engineers. They will need to change the OS and create this mythical TRUE IR to BlueTooth to PS3 device. In the mean time I’m proposing IR4PS3.

Regards,
Ben
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Post 146 made on Sunday March 9, 2008 at 14:14
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On February 22, 2008 at 10:00, Jaywalker said...
Can someone explain what this means? Is this for the ir4ps3,
or the new ir2bt, or something entirely different in the
wrong thread?

hi

no we do our on solution for this, and we build our own version. this version is currently running, we found a solution how we can real control the ON OFF for the PS3.
Post 147 made on Sunday March 16, 2008 at 20:47
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For "TRUE" discrete control, how about a little inductive loop dongle that plugs in between the powercord and the back of the ps3? that way you can read the sensor to see if it is on or not and act accordingly.


Jimmy
Post 148 made on Wednesday March 19, 2008 at 07:33
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Where can i buy a ir4ps3 asap?.
I'll need one at the begin of the next week in germany. ;-)

How much is it, and where can i buy it ?.

Best Regards

Martin
Post 149 made on Wednesday April 2, 2008 at 22:07
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Hey Ben,

I emailed you a while back about Rev2 updates, and am very interested in purchasing one of 'em. How do I go about placing an order?

Thanks,
Chris
Post 150 made on Thursday April 3, 2008 at 19:35
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This is taking way to long.

IR2BT can do everything IR4PS3 is claiming to do.

http://www.IR2BT.com

The first 200 sold out in 12 hours, and he's making 100 weekly. I get mine in a few days (I was one of the 200).

It's flawless. Everyone is really impressed.

Check out the videos on YouTube, search for "IR2BT"
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