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Harmony unveils next-generation remote -- Harmony One
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Post 61 made on Saturday January 12, 2008 at 16:38
Geil
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What if I set the Harmony ! up with a pvr on the data
base list that will display the coloured buttons on the
LCD and then learn all the commands raw from the original
pvr remote so it works with all my commands.????? Would
it work , Is this a way around the labelled colour buttons
???

That is not a bad idea and I imagine doable:
Aeh .. but....
- need to find a device remote that has all four colors with the desired colored labels in the database (mine only has the 3)
- will have to reprogram what I assume to be ALL KEYS!!! That's work! :)
- Too bad you would not be able to share your efforts :(

Colored Buttons?:
- Stop arguing already.. some need it and some don't that's it..
- The One has completed the design cycle so no it will not change anymore so accept that (unless it sells soo many that doing another revision is costeffective e.g. Wii had already 2 or 3 in a single year?)
- Arguing here has little to no point in it's current form as the message gets lost in the ramblings and potentially emotional debates
- Don't get me wrong, We CAN influence the product in the modern age.. (as LGT marketing and management do frequent this and other forums or so I hear .. surprise surprise.. I want a raise... haha jj I don't work for them)
- A Poll would be more factual and carry the message clearly e.g colored buttons vs non, custom soft buttons vs. label etc

Since we are aparently designing products for LGT now (free if I may add):
- give me my custom backgrounds back, and throw in my custom activities and soft buttons while you are at it
- Adjust the tilt sensor sensitivity in the One as that is really starting to bother me that it dun respond half of the time
- Give us the tools to create and maintain the device database and allow us to share it or alternatively the Tel# of the person in your team who is doing it :) We'll send him a pizza to add the colored labels on the remotes we want :)
- But What I really want is a Harmonoid... (common, Google, the biggest company in the world now, is swearing on Open Platform to take over the mobile world.. what other proof you need? I predict the first to do so properly in the universal remote market will dominate !!! Where are those radically thinking MBAs in LGT?? fine don't believe me? Some Taiwanese company will do so soon and wipe all of you from the face of the earth )

BTW First charge on this "One" is still running nicely now at 2/3 capacity after almost a week and 5 synchronizations!!

Last edited by Geil on January 12, 2008 17:04.
Post 62 made on Saturday January 12, 2008 at 16:46
Sucubus
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I have read this thread from the start and I would just like to say:
We have more choice now with the One. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
If you do then you can.
Before Jan 5th this year we had no reasonably priced touch screen remote.
My 2 cents.
Post 63 made on Saturday January 12, 2008 at 17:21
bonscott87
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On January 12, 2008 at 10:55, Bierboy said...
Apparently I don't. I talking about the uses for Americans.
And I stand by my statement that if people need colors
to find buttons (that IS the bottom line), then they have
issues. I said the "1" would be intuitive enough (and
the buttons spaced far apart) for people to find them
easily and know what they're used for without gawdy colors
that make it look like a kid's remote.

You aren't understanding that many receivers and STBs out there have colored buttons. On the DirecTV receivers for example you'll see this on the screen all the time:

Blue to bring up the mini-guide.
Red to Delete the current highlighted program or backwords 12 hrs in the guide
Green to keep a program or move forward 12 hrs in the guide
Yellow to bring up the TV Options menu.

During Sunday Ticket Interactive Red will bring up the menu, Yellow brings up the scoreboard and so forth.

You *can't do these functions* without the colored buttons which are just that, colored buttons. They aren't labeled anything else and aren't used for anything else.

So I guess if that's a need for a "kids" remote then I guess I need a kids remote.

Think before you post.
Scott
Post 64 made on Sunday January 13, 2008 at 12:00
drew2k1
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Some of the attitudes here are quite disappointing. The whole goal of the Harmony line of remotes is to give users full control, and as consumers, we have seen many models of the brand come and go, with many changes made along the way. The Harmony One is the latest in the line, but it won't be the last. If we as consumers speak our mind and talk about what we want in a remote, we may see it one or two remotes down the line. Attempts to stifle discussion on this are very disappointing.

I want color buttons. Others here want color buttons. International markets want color buttons. Why not make a new remote, with the most advanced features, with color buttons and sell it here in the United Sates? I have never understood why Harmony didn't try with anything beyond the XBOX-360 remote ...
Post 65 made on Sunday January 13, 2008 at 18:33
Aaron Levey
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I personally don't need color buttons but if they are usefully for a large percentage of the target market they should be on the remote.

Logitech/Harmony has basically put out nearly the exact same remote with each model... some have color screens, recharge bases, buttons moved around/added/removed, etc but...
each "new" model adds ZERO value since they all do the SAME THING!

This is why I bought the lowest priced version with a decent button layout 676.

The 'one' is no different... gives users nearly zero benefit over any other remote they make. Why don't all new Harmonys RF built-in now? What about z-wave (fast becoming the defacto standard for HA)?

Not that many other companies are better but at least two of the new Philips remotes have a jog wheel!

Harmony was a huge step forward, 5 years ago... they have 'played dead' since and maybe even gone backwards.

Shame on Logitech / Harmony!

Shame on people who are supporting a lack of innovation buy running out to "upgrade" when new model come out.
OP | Post 66 made on Sunday January 13, 2008 at 22:06
RonL
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On January 13, 2008 at 18:33, Aaron Levey said...
Logitech/Harmony has basically put out nearly the exact
same remote with each model... some have color screens,
recharge bases, buttons moved around/added/removed, etc
but...

each "new" model adds ZERO value since they all do the
SAME THING!

Shame on people who are supporting a lack of innovation
buy running out to "upgrade" when new model come out.

All Harmony remotes are supposed to control your components, so of course they do the same thing. Just like every car gets you from point A to point B.

For me, the most important feature of a remote is ergonomics. As far as I am concerned, remote performance is defined by the ergonomics. If we are to believe Harmony, the "performance" of the Harmony One is major step forward from their previous remotes.

If you've never had a URC MX remote, you may have no idea what I am talking about. URC set the standard for remote ergonomics, which is why their remotes have such a loyal following on this forum and others. The Harmony One is the most "MX like" remote Harmony has ever released. They've finally emphasized ergonomics in a design, and this marks a major departure from past Harmony remotes.

Last edited by RonL on January 14, 2008 04:29.
Post 67 made on Monday January 14, 2008 at 04:36
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On January 13, 2008 at 22:06, RonL said...
If you've never had a URC MX remote, you may have no idea
what I am talking about. URC set the standard for remote
ergonomics ...............

Really? I had an MX500, and it had the worse ergonomics of any remote. No colour buttons!

So functions like "Series Link", "View Recorded", "Favourites", "Copy", "Delete", "Keep/Un-Keep", "Lock/Un-Lock", "Interactive", etc., which are all actioned by the four colour buttons on SkyHD had to be on the LCD, where they are very difficult to identify and access.

For the UK market at least, any remote without colour buttons is really not practical. Colour buttons are a very efficient way of providing lots of different functions on just 4 buttons, all guided by on-screen messages on the Sky box.

Best ergonomics I've had is my current Harmony 675. "Upgrading" to the new One would be a backward step without colour buttons. Instead I've ordered a 785 to replace my broken 675.
Post 68 made on Monday January 14, 2008 at 15:21
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The transport buttons look like they are still too low on the body of the remote to be comfortable. This was my main complaint with the 880. Using it as a Tivo penut replacement left a lot to be desired. Try to rewind or fast foward and the remote would launch right out of my hand. I did a side by side comparison or the two remotes and it looks like they have barely moved the transport buttons at all. Can anyone confirm as to wether or not the "One" is more ergonomicly layed out?
Post 69 made on Wednesday January 16, 2008 at 17:47
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On January 6, 2008 at 12:16, lebaige said...
It looks awesome but I cannot justify purchasing anything
but an RF remote at this point, having used one for a
year. The difference in missed commands is just ridiculous,
i.e. with the RF 890 I've never had one missed command.
Not one.

So this one ONE, doesn't have a RF extender?

I have a 890 and love this feature.
Post 70 made on Wednesday January 16, 2008 at 20:40
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On January 14, 2008 at 15:21, Phil Cote said...
The transport buttons look like they are still too low
on the body of the remote to be comfortable. This was
my main complaint with the 880. Using it as a Tivo penut
replacement left a lot to be desired. Try to rewind or
fast foward and the remote would launch right out of my
hand. I did a side by side comparison or the two remotes
and it looks like they have barely moved the transport
buttons at all. Can anyone confirm as to wether or not
the "One" is more ergonomicly layed out?

The transport buttons you are referring to must be the number pad?
They are still low but the back side is rubbery/grippy as well as shaped slightly like a trigger. I feel this may have been addressed enough to make it usable. I can wrap my pointing finger around the back of the remote just enough to loosen my grip and use my thumb to access all lower buttons. Still feel like tippy toeing and balancing the remote but it's acceptable especially since I hardly ever use those.

BTW the battery finally is indicating the last block in red and this would put the battery life to an estimated 10+days vs the typical 4 days I get out of the H1000!!! I can't remember the battery life on the 880 in the days but compared to H1000 it certainly feels like eternity :)
More buttons, pictures are better than words!! But still nothing for the 4 colors :P

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Post 71 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 09:08
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Transport buttons are REW, FF, STOP, PAUSE, PLAY, etc.
Post 72 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 20:57
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On January 17, 2008 at 09:08, akirby said...
Transport buttons are REW, FF, STOP, PAUSE, PLAY, etc.

Oh that makes sense :D Just didn't make the connection there...
Those buttons are not a problem at all..
Post 73 made on Friday January 18, 2008 at 00:54
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This remote looks as it could be a nice improvement to the older Harmonys (button layout, shape, etc.), but what I really don´t like about this new remote is:
why the hell must they use this shinny, glossy material for it? Every fingerprint will be seen on it. This item will be used a lot and also on the photos it looks like they have dipped it into cheese....and I don´t buy a remote just for cleaning :D

And just for information: also I would prefer a remote including coloured (hard) buttons much more than this "One" ;) - and rubber/gemstone buttons would be desirable

in general this means for me, that I either have to wait for the next Harmony, perhaps non-glossy and with coloured buttons - or I have to look for other brands....
Post 74 made on Friday January 18, 2008 at 10:04
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Anyone know when the One will be in retail stores? I'm thinking of upgrading from my beloved Radio Shack 15-1994 to the Harmony One. But I need to buy at BestBuy because of gift cards, and such.
Post 75 made on Friday January 18, 2008 at 23:42
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Probably my last comment on the remote due to the final hours of it's .......first charge ;)
Battery has finally triggered an alert (day 12) but unlike the annoying repeating alerts on the H1000 popping up every few presses preventing me from using it effectively the "One" developers have finally realized that I need only ONE alert to know that the battery is low :)
oh and not a single crash or hesitation GOOD JOB.. Just dun @#% it up with the next update. This reminds me why I never noticed that Harmonies had no reset buttons up unti I got the H1000. Did any H1000 ever notice during bootup a mouse pointer would show up hinting the underlying OS being Windows CE? Maybe the reason of all evil :(
Voodoopupp: though the surface is glossy I have not really noticed any fingerprints like they show up on my iPhone or Edge. Even the touch screen doesn't have much to show for in terms of residue. I only managed to catch a glimpse of some with just the right reflection and without activating the LCD.
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