I am constantly checking the files and all I see is rehashes or Daniels CCF. It is an unbelieveble CCF but, why does Daniels look so professional and the millions of other designers look like kindergarden sketches? Just wondering if anyone out there has the talent or a ccf that looks completely different from Daniels and also looks professional? Please do not refer me to any files currently listed, I don't feel any can compare to Daniels.

Jeez, thanks, Beev.

I've only been designing CCF's professionally for two years. I'm glad to hear you think my work looks like a kindergarten sketch. Have you actually downloaded the thing?

Dale

...just checked. Nope, you haven't.

Incidentally, I'm not all high on my own design. I consider some of the Aqua variants and several of the other designs to be very well done. Just because you don't care for the style of them doesn't make them kindergarten sketches.

Honestly, I'm appalled at your rudeness.

Darnitol: I assume you are the creator Dale Crawford. No, I have not downloaded your ccf, looking at the 2 available screenshots was enough. Since you feel so appalled at my rudeness, let me give you my critique. This is a color Pronto and I feel that your ccf does not incorporate a variety of colors and instead focuses primarily in blue. I have a color Pronto capable of displaying hundreds of colors, why would I want only 3 colors? Certainly there are more than 3 colors but, they are limited in their use. Daniels ccf is not loud or "floral" but, makes ample use of many different colors, outlines and "shadows". He also has very unique graphics and design use. Your buttons are standard, like those found on a VCR. Square for stop and Triangle for play. To me that is "kindergarden" graphics. I am sorry you are so offended, I didn't single our your ccf but, since you felt the need to comment, I felt the need to reply.

I think that this guy is unbelievable. If he had a clue he'd realize that with a PC and a graphics package other than MSPaint he can create the type of graphics he's looking for. However, the nimble-minded user of this site that he is, he'll critique the artwork that you all have graciously shared without gracing us with the hi-res hi-color images he has created.

What do you want for free?

arguing over CCF files, i seen it all now, thanx for making me laugh guys :o)

Excuse me, but I didn't see YOUR HIGH RESOLUTION GRAPHICS uploaded here.

We all know Daniel is the man when it comes to CCF creations, but Dale's work is considered by many here, to rank in top of CCF's here.

Look at most B&W CCF's in the files section, and you'll see most of them have some elements of either Daniel's OR Dale's CCF included in them. The reason you haven't seen many color CCF's with Dale's elements included, is because his file has just recently been uploaded.

So before you open your mouth with dispariging comments, please enlighten us with your qualifications, and a little sample of what a "PROFESSIONAL CCF" is supposed to look like. Other than Daniel's.

Dave

Beever:

Your tastes in graphic design are just that: tastes. That makes them equally valid to anyone elses tastes. However, the way you express those tastes is base and callous.

I'll be the first to compliment Daniel's design. He and I have discussed our lighthearted "rivalry" in the past, and he knows that I consider his CCF to superior to my own. Further, there are twice as many people using Daniel's original CCF as my own, but so far none of those fans of Daniel's work has yet disparaged any other designer's work.

Sure, there's something kindergarten going on here. But it's not anyone's CCF design.

beever: basing your judgment on two screen shots is not very smart. How do you know what the rest looks like. I will not discuss what you said about others CCF, but if you look at mine (which I admit looks like a "kindergarten sketch") you will see the panels chosen by Daniel (which are always the first two panels to open) only have two colors gray and fluorescent green, but if you look at the CCF there are many more different panels and many more colors (running almost the full gamut).

On the other hand all the people who have submitted their CCF have put many hours at creating these CCFs for themselves, and are nice enough to share with everyone else. There is no need to be insulting

Beever:

Take a look HERE at the winning entrant in the Pronto Pro contest. It is by and large based on the colour blue, with judicious use of other colours. The second place entrant is based on brown tones. Other CCF's in the contest had multiple colours, but the judges obviously thought that the winning entrant considered more than just incorporating 256 colours, and were pleased with the CCF even though it was centered on the colour blue.

You can put all the colours you want in the world in your CCF, and it can be ugly and non-functional. The other entrants incorporated colour in various ways, and were quite good looking and functional. But having 256 colours is not a pre-requisite for a great CCF.

Just because you have 256 colours doesn't mean you have to use them.

Ask any designer. Do you use 256 different colours in your living room? I would suggest that a professional designer certainly wouldn't. Prudent use of colour can make something look fantastic, AND more functional. Check out the other entrants in the Pronto contest that show this. (And other examples in the CCF listing on this site.) Imprudent use can make it a disaster.

That being said, both Daniel and Darnitol's CCF's are excellent. As are a goodly number of others on this site. Both for their design quality and their functionality. And that includes those that are black and white!

Saying that a CCF (or anything else for that matter) is "kindergarten" stuff is not only insulting to those who have taken the time and effort to create their CCF's and upload them to this site, but it is an offense to those of us who are users of this site.

If you want to criticize, be constructive. Not rude and offensive.

I hope you come back and re-evaluate your comments and also provide a CCF that meets YOUR requirements for a professional design.

When you can do as good or better, THEN you can talk. Until then, well......... you know!

... Greg

A couple of thoughts...

Just because the Pro can do "hundreds of colors" doesn't mean that you should use them all. Not all colors work on the Pro equally well & even if they did, I've seen professionally designed high-end touchpanels with so many colors, font sizes, typefaces, and button/border styles they look like ransom notes. Really expensive ransom notes.

I've also done just enough "original" stuff to realize how many hours it takes to get individual graphics to even look decent. Getting an entire .ccf to have a distinctive look, a cohesive theme, and a truly functional "flow" to the end-user is even tougher.

I’ll “Leave it to Beever” to show us something better…

The fact that I criticize doesn't mean I can do better, I never claimed to be able to. I am sorry you don't agree, you can bet there are hundereds of others who DO agree and refuse to reply due to this flame war I am getting. To be honest, I really could care less. I feel that Daniels CCF is by far superior to anything else available for download, if you don't agree, I don't care. If you read my post, I stated that Daniel uses all of the colors available to him "tastefully". It is not floral or loud or "overkill". It is done in such a way as to be tasteful and yet, utilize many of the colors available to us in the software.

In conclusion, I cannot do better. I am not an artist or a programmer. I appreciate any and all people who spend many hundreds of hours creating these CCF's, you are invaluable to thousands of us. The fact that I don't think they look as professional as Daniels is my opinion. To be honest, I don't see how ANYONE can disagree with me, but you say tomayto and I say tomaaato.

Back to my original question: I there anyone out there who has a professional looking ccf that isnt in the download section. Thanks

Beever -

The problem is: That WASN'T your original question. Had it been, you would not have received the type of replies that you have.

Your "kindergarten" reference was the kicker. Rude. Non-constructive. And a "kindergarten-ish" message.

You brought on the flames, my friend. Ask a question properly, without condescension, and you'll get a corresponding reply.

Had you merely asked - "Is there anyone out there who has a professional looking CCF that isn't in the download section?" - then you would have come across a lot better than you have and would have received "flameless" replies.

Now, let's hope someone has a CCF that suits your fancy!

... Greg :-)

I think the real question is why anyone would want to share such an original design with you? You've insulted everyone who's put up original artwork on this site, save Daniel. The fact that you're looking for something other than Daniel's work even calls that into question.

I think if someone does have a "killer" ccf they'd be much more likely to post it in the files area than send it to someone who is either devoid of manners, or (assuming your words were ill chosen) isn't man enough to admit it. As far as hundreds of others sharing your opinion - get real. This boards been around a long time, you're the first to complain about the artwork.

Jim L

Maybe we're being too hard on the Beever...