I've got the 15-2104 and I can't get it to turn my Onkyo receiver on and off correctly. I used the advanced code 0135 to program the remote, but the on/off functions still don't work when using this device code. Can somebody help me out?

Grant

Hi Grant!

I have teh DS494 and Cinema 7+. What do you mean turn on/off correctly? My on/off works fine with the 0135. I could not find any discrete codes for on/off, alhtough there are indications these can be programmed into the remote at least via JP1. I also had to learn some buttons, mostly for switching the audio sources.

tjk

Grant,

I think this is the problem. I decoded two ccf files for the DS-595 and it appears to respond to two different sub-devices under NEC1:210, NEC1:210.108 and NEC1:210.109:

Device NEC1:210.108 - No UEIC setup code

OBC EFC
024 245 DSP >
025 249 DSP <
066 167 Up Arrow
067 171 Down Arrow
068 164 CH Select
071 170 Power Off
076 036 Stereo
077 040 Surround
082 103 al st
083 107 SETUP
084 100 RETURN
085 104 Display
140 060 DVD
214 110 RE-EQ
216 237 sound modes

Device NEC1:210.109 - Audio_0135

000 181 Down.........Channel UP
001 185 Up..............Channel DOWN
002 183 Vol+...........Volume UP
003 187 Vol-............Volume DOWN
004 180 Power on....POWER
005 184 Mute...........MUTE
009 057 CD..............num 0
011 059 Tuner.........num 1
014 054 Video 2......num 3
015 058 TV…..........num 2
068 164 Direct........TV/VCR
070 166 FM.................N/A
071 170 AM.................N/A
089 233 Speaker A......N/A
090 231 Speaker B......N/A
130 191 Up Arrow.......N/A
131 195 Down Arrow..N/A
132 188 Left Arrow.....N/A
133 192 Right Arrow...N/A
149 128 Dimmer.........N/A
151 130 ok...............ENTER
154 255 Test Menu.....N/A
159 002 VCR...............N/A

The ones at the bottom are arranged by their function and at the end of the dots the Key on the 2104 in setup code Audio _0135.

If you haven't done this already, the most elegant solution is to go to Rob Crowe's excellent website www.hifi-remote.com and read up on the JP-1 cable and software and do a device upgrade to add the NEC1:210.108 (that is its true device number and protocol).

You can also just learn those commands for device NEC1:210.108 or see if you can get an upgrade from UEIC. The commands that are for NEC1:210.109 at the bottom with no button assigned can be moved around using key moves without a cable -- also described on Rob's website (its under the manual for the 15-1994 that is very similar to the 2104).

It would seem that the On command should work now -- just that you could not turn it off. Obviously since I think it is a discrete On command the unit would have to be Off before issuing the command to see if it works.

Finally it is possible that your receiver might respond to Audio_0100 that is NEC1:210 (no sub-device). Sometimes these are master commands.

Let me know if any of this works,

Jon

This message was edited by jarmstrong on 06/15/02 14:22.52.

Actually, for people reading this how have upgradeable remotes, there is a UEIC code for NEC1 210:108, it's RCVR/0842, but as far as I know, it's only available by upgrade, I don't know of any remotes that have it built in.

But like Jon said, adding the code using JP1 is the best option, and the only option with Radio Shack remotes.

Rob.
http://www.hifi-remote.com

Do you have any idea what the advance code for "Power Off" is on the RCVR/0842 device. All I really need is this command. Perhaps what you are saying is that there is no such code in a standard UEIC device. Just to clarify, is it impossible to get an ONKYO receiver to turn off with existing advance codes without a JP1 upgrade? I know I can learn it to my Producer 8, but would prefer not to do it this way because it is is difficult or impossible to program it into a macro.

Chipper,

Try reading the whole thread. The power off is in rcvr_0842 as efc 170. As Rob said, it's available as an upgrade if you have an upgradeable remote. Whether ueic will still upgrade the discontinued P-8's is something you'll have to ask ueic. The OTHER option is to use JP-1 and make the upgrade yourself. OR, do as you said, learn the off command and take your chances with it in macros.
IF ueic won't upload the upgrade, and you don't want to mess with the learn, then I think you would have to decide whether to do the JP-1 route, or get a newer remote, perhaps the 8910 or 9910 which can be upgraded via the modem upgrade feature they have over the phone or thru a downloaded .wav file. Or get a newer remote and JP-1 it.
Jim

The last reply seems a little snippy. I did read the whole thread. I did try the 0170 code. It shifts my receiver to the AM tuner mode and does not turn it off. I assume this is the other device code for ONKYO, consistent with the 0135 device code that is not completely compatible with my ONKYO 595. I am having the same problem as the person who initiated this thread and have not found a solution other than the learning function. All I really need is the discreet code for Power Off on the ONKYO. I can tell you it is not 0170.

Chipper,

Discrete codes, efcs, are three digits, not 4. setup codes in most recent ueic's are 4 digit. You aren't going to get a discrete off using 0170, for one thing that efc only works in rcvr_0842, which you don't have native in ANY ueic remote. It's available as an upgrade, or can be programmed in using JP-1.
NO ONE ever said an 0170 anything (discrete efc or device setup code) would work anything in a onkyo receiver.
The point you keep missing is discrete off is efc 170 only in receiver_0842 which isn't pre-programmed (native) in your remote or any other remote made by ueic. It has been made available by ueic recently; and really isn't a factor if you have JP-1.
If you have to have the discrete off, your options are all listed in my other post. Since it's so important to you, to have it so quick, the fastest option to take right now is to learn it into your P-8; but, as you said, using it in macros may not work very well, if at all.
If you had read the thread carefully you wouldn't have made that 0170 mistake. You also wouldn't have missed the fact that discrete off is in receiver_0842, which you don't have in your remote, so you couldn't possibly access the efc's for it. You can't use something your remote simply doesn't have in it.
If rcvr_0170 did do something to your receiver, that may be something to look at. I'll check devices.xls and see if I can find out why.
Jim

I didn't find a audio(rcvr)_0170, but there is a CD_0170, and maybe that's what you got your remote to accept. It's a Nec1,device 123 code. With the close similarity between nec 1, and the nec1a,210.109 that's audio_0135 you could have possibly gotten a signal close enough to do something on your onkyo. I don't think it's an area worth exploring; finding something else that would work as a discrete off is pretty slim, although not totally impossible.
Jim

Jim
I want to thank you and the others in this thread for the information provided. I am also "Chipper" (couldn't find my other password). I mistyped the advanced code as 0170 in my post (three up, when I had actually tried 170 to arrive at my AM tuner position. Sorry for the confusion.
After sorting through all of the information in this thread, and trying to make some sense of the various device codes, efc codes, etc. I finally realize that "You just can't get there from here", and I will abandon my attempts to find an advance code or discreet code to turn off my Onkyo. I was just laboring under the misapprehension that any device had a hex code that could be converted to an advance code present somewhere on a UEIC remote. My mistake! Sorry to have taken up so much of your time searching for the holy grail of advance codes.

But you can get there from here. The code you are looking for is 170, according to Jon, and it works with a device upgrade that you can add with a JP1 cable.
Don

Don

Thanks. Yes, I understand that great feats are accomplished with this little cable, but I also fear that I haven't the patience or perseverance to read all of the literature, follow the forums and make the most out of this technology. I may yet take the leap. My purpose in this thread, as Jim surmised, was to get a quick fix so that I could power up and power down with a single push of a button. Lazy me!

Nevertheless, thank you for your input.

Palsgraff(chipper),

Don't give up the ship yet. Most devices use a toggle code. Generally, posts are looking for discrete codes. Oddly enough, 0135 has a discrete on, OBC 004. Looking at 0135, we can see a pretty neat little cluster in OBCs, and what's important for your case is that cluster starting with 000. Of note, is a lack of assignment for just a few in this highly filled cluster. OBC's 6,7,8,and 10 aren't assigned. It'd be worth a shot to see if you couldn't stumble on a power toggle, and maybe (but less likely) a power off in these.
Try these efc's: OBC 006= EFC 182; 007=186; 008=053; and 010=055 What the heck, can't hurt to try them, and just might get lucky ;)
Jim

Jim

Thanks for the information on possible codes. Unfortunately, none of these were the power off code. Tried them last night. For your information, should the subject come up again, on the Onkyo Tx-DS595 the following codes apply:

OBC EFC Function
006 182 No response
007 186 No response
008 053 Tape mode
010 055 Phono mode

If you have any more suggestions, I will more than happily try them out. By the by, I have tested everthing in the 170-189 range and no power off in that cluster.
Chip

Chipper,

From the advance codes list at rob's site, power is efc 180. You can see the entire list by clicking on: [Link: hifi-remote.com]. Jon's list, above may suppliment that list, I didn't check to compare. 180 should be a power toggle with amp_0135.
Jim
It's possible that onkyo didn't allow for a power toggle with your device, but that'd been pretty dumb move on their part. You might find something usefull by checking rob's site.
You do know that for these efc's to work, you have to have the device button assigned with amp_0135, and be in that mode when you check them, right?
according to the list, the 2 you found are listed and just what you got. 182 shows for "aux", and 186 for "tape 2". Maybe you don't have these 2 inputs on your model receiver?

This message was edited by jamesgammel on 10/17/02 12:34.52.