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MX-500 PC Interface
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Post 226 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 15:59
Mike123
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That's exactly what I was thinking: I'm sure $155/unit
is fair for the work involved but it just doesn't
make sense for me personally. I'm glad I didn't
say "add me too". Now let's see how many people who
said "add me too" still coming forward? :-)

-Mike-
Post 227 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 16:03
Davepar
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To defend Mike/Dave (I'm not the real Dave):
As far as the comparison to the JP1 interface, this thing is nothing like it. First, if I understand correctly there is no connector on the MX-500 (obvious or concealed) that will allow programming. The JP1 interface involves some wires and a few chips. This thing has an USB interface, firmware, IR tranceiver, etc. It is a much more complicated beast.

It's true there are cheaper or nearly cheaper alternatives to programming discrete codes, or backing up. However, after programming about a dozen button labels, I got tired of 5-5-4-3-3-7-7, etc. I'd love to have an easy software interface for programming the labels, macros, etc.

Having said that $155+ is more than I was hoping to spend, but I will probably still get one.
Post 228 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 16:48
Mike C
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Sorry guys,

now you know where I am on vacation. That should have been $100.

Mike
Post 229 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 17:01
Mike C
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P.S

Some of the keyboards in the internet cafes here obviously substitute £ for $ and I didn't realize that until I read the responses.

My apologies once again.

Mike
Post 230 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 17:19
gschwartz
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I can live with $100 ... barely.
Be well, do good things,
and Smile!
Post 231 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 18:28
PaulGeno
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Geez!! Tough crowd.

Mike & Dave, personally I can't wait until your ready to take orders. It seems a reasonable price to me if the MX-700 still costs almost twice the price of the combination of the MX-500 and this user developed solution.

Paul

Post 232 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 19:03
demiller9
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The difference between JP1 and the IRCLONE hardware is partly due to the signal rate. JP1 is self-clocking, and uses the parallel port to run a serial signal. IRCLONE is designed to read IR signals at two different rates - one being the ordinary remote (around 40KHz) and the other much higher rate that the MX-500 sends and receives at. The other big difference is that JP1 is strictly an electrical interface (5V to 3V,etc) while IRCLONE is USB to IR (bidirectional).
Don
Post 233 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 19:05
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The power of open source is the huge amount of resources that can be brought to the problem, mostly for little or no cost.

I'll probably purchase a unit either way, but what happens if Dave gets hit by a bus?

Even if Dave chooses not to release his source, programming API's should be released so others can come up with their own software.

Perhaps I'd like to use the unit to control my PC. Sounds like an easy thing to do given the hardware and software, but I dobut most others would need this capability.

Thanks for consideration, and as long as others report good results, I'll be picking up a unit.

The MX-500 simply rocks and is the only high end remote that has enough hard buttons and ergonimics not to be a table trophy! (well, at least that I have come across.)

Robert
Post 234 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 20:26
Merckor
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Could someone explain to me the difference between an IRDA device on your system plus software to move data between the MX-500 and PC and what Mike C is doing? Is it mostly a software thing? Are there incompatabilities with IRDA 1.x and the IR spec on the MX-500 or any other 'tv remote'?

Will
Post 235 made on Friday September 20, 2002 at 20:54
demiller9
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On 06/20/02 22:30.23, Mike C said...
Good question. irDA, which is used for the IR
link on a PC, typically uses a serial port with
a modified signal. If you'd like to know more
about the irDA standard download irPHY 1.4 from
[Link: irda.org]

On page 38 (Appendix B.3) you'll see the signals
in picture form. As you can see from that picture
the UART deals with data bits that are sent with
a constant pulse width. Unfortunately the MX-500
uses data bits that are not constant pulse width.
I have identified that a zero is 13.3 micro-secs
(us) wide and a one is 20 us. I had to develop
a receiver and transmitter to decode and encode
these. Not difficult but time consuming.

At first I thought that the MX-500 was using irDA
as it uses a light period of 1.6 us when cloning.
This happens to be exactly the same as a width
that can be used by irDA. See Table 2 on page
8 of the above document. Most remotes use IR
on periods of 25 us or so and all IR detectors
for PCs that I have tried have a filter which
precludes them from being useful at the 1.6 us
pulse width that the MX uses. Fortunately I found
an irDA compatible receiver/transmitter which
works very well.

[Link: jdresearch.com].

Believe me one of the first things I tried with
this was to see if the MX-500 uses irDa. But no
luck.

Getting closer. We are aiming to do some major
testing of the device and PC software this weekend.
I'll get back to you early next week. Thanks for
the answers to my questions and continued support.

Mike
Post 236 made on Saturday September 21, 2002 at 00:52
estech
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Even before the pounds/dollars correction, I was planning on buying one. If my own MX was the only one I wanted to back up, then maybe another MX would make sense. But from a custom installers point of view, with several customers relying on their MX's, I would be very happy to spend that much to back up all the time spent configuring each of them.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Post 237 made on Saturday September 21, 2002 at 10:13
Evets
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I think $100.00 U.S. is a fair price. However if you take into account the exchange rate here in Canada, it starts to get a little expensive for the whole package.

Remote: $132.00 with shipping from BlueDo
Interface: $100.00 with shipping?
Total with exchange rate: $375.00 CDN
Border fees (free trade duty) and tax $100.00 CDN
Total $475.00 CDN

Steve
Post 238 made on Saturday September 21, 2002 at 12:30
R. Aster
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On 09/20/02 16:48.09, Mike C said...
Sorry guys,

now you know where I am on vacation. That should
have been $100.

Mike

P.S

Some of the keyboards in the internet cafes here
obviously substitute £ for $ and I didn't realize
that until I read the responses.

Too bad you weren't on vacation in Japan .. lets' see JPY 100 = USD 0.81. Why, I've got $.81 right here in my couch crack! Add me to the list.
Post 239 made on Saturday September 21, 2002 at 13:19
Craig Henrikson
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Mike -- Now HTM can start worrying again :-). Looking forward to more info and probable purchase!

Have a good vacation and stop visiting anything to do with the net!

Craig

Post 240 made on Wednesday September 25, 2002 at 00:39
ryanlesser
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i was on the earlyish ADD ME TO THE LIST list...and while around 100 bucks isnt cheap, the 500 is amazing and still better than the 700 mostly due to button changes. while i would of course appreciate an inexpensive-as-possible price...i am still in.

i am assuming that this software will also allow me to take my info from my old 500 (soft buttons) and bring the info to a new one that might be purchased in the future?
-Ryan
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