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Is RS 15-1918 JP1 Programable?
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Post 1 made on Friday November 25, 2005 at 11:26
bse
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I just bought a RS 15-1918 is it JP1 programable? This was a discontinued item that was missing the paperwork (wich I found here) I got it for $5

It says in the manual that it's upgradable through the phone line by callang the RS number and telling them the model # and date of manufacture, ect. of the device you want to control. It also has a 3 pin terminal labled JP1 under the latch for the battery door

Is there a cd available that I can put on my pc and download codes through my pc speakers like I would from the phone from RS?
Post 2 made on Friday November 25, 2005 at 18:25
The Robman
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I doubt that the customer service supports this remote anymore as it's pretty old.

You can indeed program it using JP1. One option is to add a 6-pin connector yourself, but an easier option is to use JP1 to create WAV files that you can indeed load into the remote using the built in modem.

JP1 is a free, user developed process, so there's no CD to buy, you just download the software from my web site.
Rob.
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Post 3 made on Sunday November 27, 2005 at 16:32
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I know you started a new thread with your 2nd question, but I see no reason to spread this conversation over multiple threads.

On November 27, 2005 at 08:22, bse said...
First off, it says J1 beside the 3 pin connector
(not JP1) as I stated in my last post. Is it still
JP1 programable? It also has the letters TX, GD
and RD printed by the 3 female connections under
the battery cover lid.

As I think I explained in my previous post, you can use the JP1 tools to create WAV files to program the remote, or you can add a 6-pin connector to it yourself. There is a document in the JP1 file section that explains how. I am very familiar with this remote (I have several) so there's no need to go to further detail explaining it's physical feattures.

On November 27, 2005 at 08:22, bse said...
Another question I have is about the audio and
vidio sequence keys. The manual says they are
for controling surround sound devices, but states
they "are not available in this program" What
does that mean?

I don't know what the last sentence means either, but suffice to say, these are simply "macro" buttons that can, in reality, be used for any purpose. Which means you can either program macros to them or keymoves (ie, programming advanced codes).

On November 27, 2005 at 08:22, bse said...
I was hoping that I could use this remote to
access my pioneer VSX D508's surround levels and
be able to control the subwoofer and speaker size
adjustments. It does opperate some functions on
codes 300 and 013, but not enough to get into
the things I want to adjust.

I found some 3 digit advanced codes that opperate
under device code 013 for a pioneer VSX D608 (different
model but they use the exact same oem remote)
on hifi-remote.com. The codes are for the cinema
7. Is there a way for me to enter advanced codes
for the 15-1918 without using the JP1 or phone
method of programing?

Yes, you use exactly the same method to program advanced codes using the 15-1918 as you would with the Cinema 7 or any other non-LCD remote.

[Link: hifi-remote.com]

On November 27, 2005 at 08:22, bse said...
The manual doesn't say a
word about advanced codes or how to program them.

Which is one of the main reasons that I started my web site.

On November 27, 2005 at 08:22, bse said...
On the bright side, someone on your site posted
pronto hex codes for a Pioneer VSX D608. I think
it's everything I would need to get into the surround
settings, so if it comes to it I will try to use
the JP1 program. I'm not too computer savy and
don't know if I'm capable of doing it myself.
hence the search for an easier way. I am good
with electronics, at least audio stuff and do
alot of soildering and troubleshooting on car
and house amplifiers, cd players etc.

Thanks for all the help, Brian
Rob.
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OP | Post 4 made on Sunday November 27, 2005 at 17:45
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Thank you so much Rob, I will try in the future to limit everything to one thred. I was afraid my question would get lost in the thread, being several days old.

Thanks, Brian
Post 5 made on Sunday November 27, 2005 at 23:12
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When you reply to a thread, it goes back to the top of the list.
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OP | Post 6 made on Monday November 28, 2005 at 19:19
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Rob, thanks for the link, the advanced codes do everything I need them to do except get into the level controls for LF, RF, Center, surround and subwoofer. I can now set speaker size, subwoofer on/off and speaker distance from listening position, volume, source, loudness, just to name a few. I am useing device code 013 and have found some codes just going through them one at a time.

If anyone can help with the surround channel codes I would be most appriciative. In the meantime I'll keep digging and resurch some of the stuff you have on hifi's site about finding advanced codes, I'm almost feeling brave enough to try the JP1 program. I probly will when I have grasp enough of it to feel comfortable.

thanks again, Brian
Post 7 made on Monday November 28, 2005 at 19:40
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Try codes 191-Right, 195-LEFT, 189-Up, 247-Down.
OP | Post 8 made on Friday December 2, 2005 at 08:40
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Rob, I was reading on the hi-fi non-jp1 forum a post titled "trouble with pioneer receiver." This is the problem I'm having except I can adjust speaker size, sub on/off, speaker distance, x-over, Ican do everything except adjust the levels. Apparently the answer to my problem is the code 1013 upgrade listed under VSX D509s.

My problem is that my rs 15 1918 is made for 3 digit codes. as you already know. Radio shack support does still do the modem upgrades. I called and they downloaded code 1122. They didn't have my VSX d508 listed and the RCA STAV 3970 (pioneer made) that they did have listed does everything the pioneer does conserning responce to remote commands. I have both models and no remote for either one. The light blinked twice when the download was complete, so we assumed the download was succesful. RS support said I would have to go through the code search to find the code since I could not access a 4 digit code with a 3 digit device. I still haven't found it.

Any chance I could get you to send me a WAV file of code 1013 ?
Post 9 made on Friday December 2, 2005 at 09:43
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On November 28, 2005 at 19:19, bse said...
Rob, thanks for the link, the advanced codes
do everything I need them to do except

...
I am useing device code 013

Device Amp/0013 contains Pioneer protocol with a device number of 165.

On December 2, 2005 at 08:40, bse said...
Apparently
the answer to my problem is the code 1013 upgrade
listed under VSX D509s.

A setup code number (1013) for a JP1 upgrade gives no useful information. It is just an arbitrary decision by the person who posted that upgrade. Only official setup code numbers are meaningful. For a JP1 upgrade, the useful information would be the URL.

I can't find VSX D509, but the VSXD510 entry is interesting
[Link: hifi-remote.com]

I called
and they downloaded code 1122.

Audio/1122 contains Pioneer protocol with a device number of 164.

The light blinked twice when the download
was complete, so we assumed the download was succesful.
RS support said I would have to go through the
code search to find the code since I could not
access a 4 digit code with a 3 digit device. I
still haven't found it.

There would be no way to find it by code search. Since Amp/013 basically works, Audio/1122 is either entirely wrong or supports only a few advanced functions. The basic function in Audio/1122 can't be correct for your device. In a code search you are depending on some basic function being correct.

Any chance I could get you to send me a WAV file
of code 1013 ?

When constructing such a wav file, one can change the setup code number to any number he likes while keeping the set of signals unchanged. If someone does provide that .wav, it would obviously be a good idea to pick a three ditgit number instead of 1013

Does the 15-1918 include setup code 014?

The JP1 info posted for the DSXD510 indicates that what you want is mainly 013 with a few codes KeyMoved from 014. For a JP1 user it may be more elegant to build a new setup code combining them. But for an ordinary user (if his remote has both 013 and 014) keymoves are simpler.

You change the setup code from 013 to 014, then test some advanced codes and define some keymoves. Then change the setup code back to 013. The keymoves you define while using 014 are still properly based on 014 when you switch the back to 013, so you end up with the intended mix of two setup codes. (If you had a way to find 1122 you could do the same with 1122. But 014 would be easier if you have it).

Last edited by johnsfine on December 2, 2005 09:55.
Post 10 made on Friday December 2, 2005 at 12:28
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The 15-1918 has the exact same processor on board as the 15-1925 and 15-1919 remotes, so you can use the 15-1925 entries in devices.xls to determine what codes are available in the 15-1918.

I checked the spreadsheet and the 15-1918 does indeed have the audio/0014 code available.
Rob.
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Post 11 made on Friday December 2, 2005 at 12:56
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On November 28, 2005 at 19:19, bse said...
get into
the level controls for LF, RF, Center, surround
and subwoofer.

I don't have a good enough understanding of the actual device to guess which function names in a JP1 upgrade or a CCF file correspond to those functions.

From what we already found, I expect those functions to be advanced codes within 014, but I'm not sure of that and have no guess about which advanced codes within 014.

Any of the other experts here have a better understanding?
Post 12 made on Friday December 2, 2005 at 20:17
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I'm guessing the LF and RF refer to the "Left Front" and "Right Front" speaker levels, though I'm not aware of there being codes for these functions (though there are codes for the REAR levels, 030 and 032, which come from the 165 device code (ie, setup code audio/0014)

Look at the Pioneer Master List I see that most of the effect and level codes come from device code 165, but use the 2-OBC format that Pioneer is (in)famous for, so you wouldn't be able to re-create these using advanced codes.

However, if you do go the JP1 route, you could use what we call the "Pioneer 2CMD" protocol to create an upgrade using device code 165 that would let you set up all the 2-part signals. If you decide this is worth it, start a new thread on this topic over in the JP1 forums, once you've figured out the JP1 basics, and I'll help you create the upgrade.
Rob.
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OP | Post 13 made on Saturday December 3, 2005 at 03:57
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Thanks for the quick responce Guys. I have found advanced codes on 014. Although just about everything I need it to do can be done on 013. Some functions from 300 and a very few from 080

I have a pioneer remote (AXD7406) that I bought at the pawn shop for $10 hoping it would work. I have no idea what model it came from, but it does have receiver printed on the bottom. Looks a little newer than the pictures of the original. My VSX D508 was made in 1999. Some functions work with the VSX-D508 and some don't. One of the buttons that does work is a button labled CH LEVEL. It looks like the original remote has this labled as CH SELLECT. This button brings up the display for the individual channel levels one at a time. Every time you push it it cycles to the next channel. The original remote also has 2 seperate buttons under the label CH LEVEL, one for + and one for - . The pawn shop remote does not have these buttons.

The oraginal remote # for my receiver is AXD7178 or CU-VSX138. I've seen both numbers together on sites that sell them new. Cost from pioneer is $73.56 + shipping.
I paid $20.00 for the receiver at the local pawn shop with dirty volume contacts (couldn't turn it down) and fixed it with a good burnishing. Theres no way I'm paying pioneer almost 4 times what I paid for the receiver for the original remote. If I could do everything from the front pannel I wouldn't care if I had a remote for it or not.


What really sucks is that the pawn shop remote will let me cycle through the individual levels but won't let me adjust them. If I could just adjust the levels with the 15 1918 once I get into them with the pawn shop remote that would be fine. My Subwoofer is a custom box powered by a kenwood 150wpc power amp without gain controls. I need to be able to set levels to ballance the sub/mains. Once set, it will be pretty much left alone.


From the links both or you posted it does appear that what I need is jp1 update.

Here is what I've found so far pertaining to the Pioneer VSX D508 Advanced codes for amp 013

volume up 055, 311, 567, 823
volume down 059, 315, 571, 827
mute on/off 119, 375, 631, 887
loudness 164, 420, 676, 932
dsp modes 165, 421, 677, 933
source sellect 058, 104, 360, 616, 872
monitor/tape 2 248, 760
dvd/ld 448, 704, 960
dvd/5.1 192
tv/sat 052, 308, 564, 820
md/tape 1 121, 377, 633, 889
tape 1/md 104
cd 036, 292, 548, 804
vcr 058, 314, 570, 826
tuner 170
video 118, 374, 630, 886
power on/off 244, 500, 756
The following access speaker size, speaker distance, subwoofer on/off, x-over frequency, LCF, turn on/off and assign optical and coaxial inputs.
menu up 701
menu down 449
menu right 447
menu left 451
escape menu 247

Advanced codes for 014

am 054
fm 056
am/fm 123
tuner up 102
tuner down 106
tuner preset up 117
tuner preset down 121
tuner class A,B,C 165
tuner preset 0 181
tuner preset 1 185
tuner preset 2 183
tuner preset 3 187
tuner preset 4 180
tuner preset 5 184
tuner preset 6 182
tuner preset 7 186
tuner preset 8 053
tuner preset 9 057
mpx stereo/mono 246
direct frequency tuning 171
Post 14 made on Sunday December 4, 2005 at 12:00
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On December 3, 2005 at 03:57, bse said...
Here is what I've found so far pertaining to the
Pioneer VSX D508
Advanced codes for
amp 013

volume up 055, 311, 567,
823

Just in case you do any further searching for advanced codes, you should know that the valid range of numbers is 0 thru 255, after that they just repeat. If you look at the codes above...

823 - 256 = 567
567 - 256 = 311
311 - 256 = 055

So you see, those 4 codes are really all the same code.

Now, to go the JP1 route, go to the JP1 site and download the IR.exe program and the IR2WAV program as you'll need both. Then start a new thread in the JP1 forums, linking back to this one so we know who you are, and I'll walk you through what you need to do.
Rob.
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Post 15 made on Wednesday February 8, 2006 at 18:08
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On December 2, 2005 at 08:40, bse said...
Rob, I was reading on the hi-fi non-jp1 forum
a post titled "trouble with pioneer receiver."
This is the problem I'm having except I can adjust
speaker size, sub on/off, speaker distance, x-over,
Ican do everything except adjust the levels. Apparently
the answer to my problem is the code 1013 upgrade
listed under VSX D509s.

My problem is that my rs 15 1918 is made for
3 digit codes. as you already know. Radio shack
support does still do the modem upgrades. I called
and they downloaded code 1122. They didn't have
my VSX d508 listed and the RCA STAV 3970 (pioneer
made) that they did have listed does everything
the pioneer does conserning responce to remote
commands. I have both models and no remote for
either one. The light blinked twice when the download
was complete, so we assumed the download was succesful.
RS support said I would have to go through the
code search to find the code since I could not
access a 4 digit code with a 3 digit device. I
still haven't found it.

Any chance I could get you to send me a WAV file
of code 1013 ?

Can anyone verify/refute that a three digit remote (first of four digits must be 0) will take a four digit download? Any idea what code it stores it under?

Vincent
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