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How's the "Affordable Healthcare" going for everyone?
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Post 151 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 12:42
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Here is an article from VT about CGI as well

[Link: vtdigger.org]

Yet, they will still be given contract after contract. I'm not a conspiracy theory wacko, but someone somewhere is getting a brown bag.
Post 152 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 12:50
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Probably Halliburton. They are the usual suspects when it comes to bribing government. They were able to start an unnecessary war to create unnecessary contracts that cost the US tax payers ba ba ba billions (more than a few) of dollars.

We could have funded the ACA for the next few generations with that murder money...downside would have been that Halliburton execs would have had to build small yachts so i guess its 6 in 1 half a dozen in the other.
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Post 153 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 12:51
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On October 10, 2013 at 12:38, cgav said...
Actually, if you read the article, he links to proof the government paid CGI 634 million. I don't dispute that more than one company worked on the website. However, the fact that 634 million was paid to CGI is not really up for debate.

From what I read, we've paid them something like more than a billion dollars this year. A canadian company. I'll just leave that there.

Where is that?
 
Post 154 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 12:52
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Oh, and Mogul, you're making the same mistake. $53 million does not equal $634 million.

But to reinforce the point, I'm seeing 'well we all know it will end up being that anyway (wink wink).'

And that's how the meme started.
Post 155 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 12:54
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On October 10, 2013 at 12:51, BigPapa said...
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Where is that?

[Link: usaspending.gov]
Post 156 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 13:22
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On October 8, 2013 at 22:17, Bonavox said...
The lower paying jobs have always gone to the newest immigrants, story old as time.

The Irish worked harder and over time became a more populous and affluent citizenship.

I'm sure the Hispanic population is well on it's way in a similar path.

My point was that until they achieve a social status where they are contributing on a similar level of other established ethnic groups, they are the largest growing segment of the population, but the one contributing the least to the "social welfare program".

The mexicans huh? :) [Link: dailymail.co.uk]
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Post 157 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 13:31
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C'mon Mac, they are just making up for us, I know you don't have any two legged kids. lol

I don't either and only one of my friends has more than two children, the third one wasn't a boy either..lol. They are done at three.
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Post 158 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 13:36
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On October 10, 2013 at 12:54, cgav said...

So you're assuming that all those contracts are for the ACA website?
Post 159 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 13:43
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On October 10, 2013 at 13:36, BigPapa said...
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So you're assuming that all those contracts are for the ACA website?

Well they all are from the Department of Health and Human Services. Without a FOIA request I don't know how you could get any more certainty.

I honestly don't care enough to dig any further. I've spent way too much time already on something I don't even care about.
Post 160 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 13:50
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On October 10, 2013 at 12:52, BigPapa said...
Oh, and Mogul, you're making the same mistake. $53 million does not equal $634 million.

But to reinforce the point, I'm seeing 'well we all know it will end up being that anyway (wink wink).'

And that's how the meme started.

Meme...? What meme...? These are numbers that have been reported in the press as fact...That's all I've conveyed to the discussion. Any conspiracy by me to propagate "memes" is in your head.

As for $53 million not equal to $634 million...The $53 million figure reported in the CBS DC report was just what HAWAII contracted to pay CGI for its STATE exchange website over 4 years. Whether that $53 million figure is in addition to or included in the $634 million figure for the national exchange implementation is not made clear in any article I've read.
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Post 161 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 13:52
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...But enough about silly facts, figures and statism...

What the hell does BRENT HUSKINS think about the ACA...?
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Post 162 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 15:33
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On October 10, 2013 at 13:50, Mogul said...
Meme...? What meme...? These are numbers that have been reported in the press as fact...That's all I've conveyed to the discussion. Any conspiracy by me to propagate "memes" is in your head.

As for $53 million not equal to $634 million...The $53 million figure reported in the CBS DC report was just what HAWAII contracted to pay CGI for its STATE exchange website over 4 years. Whether that $53 million figure is in addition to or included in the $634 million figure for the national exchange implementation is not made clear in any article I've read.

$53 million for 4 years? I need to adjust my rates.
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Post 163 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 16:03
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If you do not think the web site's crashing is an embarrassment than you ought to take a deep breath, touch your face and chest just to be certain you have a grasp on reality. The companies involved did a terrible job. It is as though they never tested the code. I understand custom coding all too well and accept it will result in any number of issues. But were I handed a contract for 54-634 million ( pick the number ) I think I'd have the resources to properly test the hardware and code behind that hardware. It is not the first large government to have issues and it will not be the last.

I still think it is far too early to judge. Health costs are surely going to increase. They did before and the ACA does not do enough to cut costs save at the margins. It fixed some glitches in the system--portability, pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps--while attempting to encouraging everyone to participate rather than opting out until emergency care was required and then relying on others to pay the freight. Exchanges merely give individuals better pricing than they might receive on their own. I have a buddy --Evangelical Conservative, so it's not skewed--living in the Northeast who, before the ACA has seen his family coverage rise from 5k/year to over 15k/year. I will promise you his wages--and he is self-employed--have not kept up with that rate of growth.

Something has to be tried to deal with the rate of increase on health care costs. Too many jump to conclusions too fast, largely for political reasons. There is every reason to believe that in the short term costs will decrease. Mid to long term costs are open to dispute. But it's hard to price shop when the exchanges are broken.
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OP | Post 164 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 16:36
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UPDATE: Just got off the phone with a pleasant man from the site, but he couldn't help me. My profile is beyond the scope of his ability to repair (not sure what needs to be done) but the advance resolution group will call me within 48 hours. If not, I was instructed to call them back.

I'm actually enrolled in the site, and have submitted my profile and family information, but cannot see any plans or prices.
Post 165 made on Thursday October 10, 2013 at 17:05
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I'm sure there's been some nasty emails and phone calls. Darryl Issa will probably start some hearings to get to the bottom of this tragic national embarrassment.
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