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How's the "Affordable Healthcare" going for everyone?
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Post 256 made on Sunday January 1, 2017 at 12:13
roddymcg
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On December 28, 2016 at 08:41, juliejacobson said...
I'm moving to Cuba. Free healthcare.

I hear they have good cigars there as well.
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Post 257 made on Sunday January 1, 2017 at 12:32
ichbinbose
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On January 1, 2017 at 12:13, roddymcg said...
I hear they have good cigars there as well.

They are way overrated
Post 258 made on Sunday January 1, 2017 at 14:22
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On January 1, 2017 at 10:57, highfigh said...
Look at the reasons many people are 'dirt poor', as Hillary called herself and Bill when they left the White House- lack of schooling, lack of good parenting, generational poverty because nobody in the family bothered to move to find work, dropping out of school and being bad students, drug/alcohol addiction, the feeling that there's no reason to bother trying, mental illness, long-term involvement in gang activity and reaching an age where the gang no longer needs them.....

Then, there are examples of people who gamed the system- we (Milwaukee area) have had many people who demanded that their daughters start having kids at an early age, so they can bring in more benefits. We have had many adults who collected benefits under several names, we have had day care operators filing claims that they had far more kids enrolled than they did and most of the ones who were there were the children of relatives, who also worked at the day care- they were being paid to care for their own kids and those of their close relatives and may have cared for them even if that day care didn't exist. Food stamp fraud, collecting rent assistance when it wasn't theirs to collect, Social Security fraud, Welfare fraud, criminal activity- if these people had put this much effort into their own education, they could have done something constructive in their lives.

Watch the interviews with the families and friends after someone kills or is killed in an inner city- many of them seem to be poorly educated and if it's because their school systems are doing a piss poor job, it needs to change- not only for the people who aren't being educated, but also for the relief of tax payers. Romney made a comment during his run for POTUS about 47% of the population not paying any taxes and it played a large role in costing him the election, but it's true. At the current rate, we'll eventually have more people collecting benefits than paying for them and no society can, or should have to, be in that position.

Many schools stopped their shop classes over the years and where do we find ourselves? With a serious shortage of welders, carpenters and people who can work in several other trades. Granted, the entry-level workers can become a journeyman fairly soon, but how many decide that those jobs aren't for them? These aren't glamor jobs- people don't think of these as little kids as "This is what I want to be when I grow up", possibly because they never saw their parents doing DIY things or having those jobs.

I would bet that many poor people would be able to work in construction, but they may not live where they're needed.

Easy living? Not by a long shot. All someone needs to do is go into the inner city and they'll see just how easy that life is.

It is possible to get out of that cycle, though.

Studies have found that yes, you can break the cycle, but the reality is, let poverty go for 3 generations and it becomes almost genetic.
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Post 259 made on Sunday January 1, 2017 at 15:02
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On January 1, 2017 at 12:32, ichbinbose said...
They are way overrated

We had some in Cancun last year, I can't say I was disappointed.
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Post 260 made on Sunday January 1, 2017 at 19:58
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On January 1, 2017 at 15:02, roddymcg said...
We had some in Cancun last year, I can't say I was disappointed.

I've had them several times over the years, last time while in the Dominican and they were mediocre at best.
The local Dominican cigars were about a quarter of the price and way better.
Post 261 made on Sunday January 1, 2017 at 21:14
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On January 1, 2017 at 14:22, Fins said...
Studies have found that yes, you can break the cycle, but the reality is, let poverty go for 3 generations and it becomes almost genetic.

And it doesn't even have to be much more than very common things like most kids not wanting to stand out from their peers, at least not in any way that would bring the wrong kind of attention to them. If you grow up in a place where being smart and studying and caring about your education is very much not the norm, and gets you that wrong kind of attention... If that effect is there in the family as well, all the worse.

Yeh, some kids can manage to get past that, but it would be in all of our best interests for it not to require extraordinary efforts above and beyond just the already substantial work required to achieve the goal at all. For most of us in the middle class and upwards, it's more likely to be the case that we just need to do the work itself, we don't have to fight a whole other battle on top of that. Of course plenty of even those folks still can't quite do the work itself, so how many fewer when the barriers are even higher.
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