That's nice, apparently you've never seen a decent TV before. Or a decent remote.

i dont know why but this really made me laugh.

Ok all you Pro's out there prove me wrong. Since Costco will refund your TV purchase in 90 days go buy this VIZIO 1080p LCD VU42LF for $1199 about $400 less than any other 1080p. You don't even have to cut open the box as it has plastic tabs to keep it secure. Everything about this company looks first class from the box design, the manual in large print on expensive paper, the easy to read labeling for the inputs, the manual controls on the side of the TV, it's good looks, great picture in SD and HD with my COX Cable HD Digital box, and good sound system. I may not know about degaussing but I do no that when I first looked at all the channels they all looked bad. But after I unplugged the TV and let it sit for 15 minutes and tryed it again all channels were great and are still great after 2 weeks.

As far as the RCA RCR612 remote it's a great learning/macro remote that I bought about 5 years ago for about $20. The only problem with it as it can only hold about 35 learned commands. I have programmed my TV, DVD, VCR, Stereo, Heater and Fan into it.

Most of have better things to do than go pick up a sh$ty TV, at Costco non the less.

Ever think that most of us go to several trade shows a year to look at displays.

When your benchmark is in the toliet the aroma around you smells like sh%t.

Roddy,
You're going to have to let me borrow that line.
Laughing so hard, I fell off my chair!!

Ok, I have to defend fishnrib. We are talking about an f'ing TV folks. I have had many top of the line TV's in my life from names such as Sony, Toshiba, Pioneer, etc. Are any of you really familiar with the guts of any of these? Many of them share the same f'ing parts and are basically the same TV minus the name. Obviously there are exceptions and while Vizio may be a budget brand, for the price on a 1080p lcd it can't be beat. Do you have a 3 year warranty on your TV without spending extra for an extended warranty? Some people don't want to spend all there hard earned money for a Bravia and for acceptable quality will purchase a Vizio to save some $. I have a Toshiba, Sony Bravia and Vizio VU42L. Guess what, my Vizio replaced my Sony Wega which was a top shelf TV back in the day. It only lasted 9 years before it died, I still have a Proscan that is 18 years old, no problems. I don't know how long the Vizio will last but even if it succumbs to an early death, I'll take the money I saved and by a new one. I'll admit, the Bravia picture is better, but I love my Vizio as well (and it's really not that much worse to be honest with you). Any f'ing LCD tv will not display an SD picture well. Some better than others but with that said, with a little tuning my SD picture looks fine! Put this in a little perspective, he loves his TV and that's fine, he saved some money to get a decent TV, not a top of the line TV. Now he has more money in his pocket to do other things or buy some other gadgets! He probably has better things to do than sit in front of his f'ing TV all day and come on these boards and bash people. I joined this forum just to respond to this post, and I think I will stick with the more professional forums.

Later!

You sound like a person I know. "It's only a TV. It's only a football game."

When is it ever just a game? So when is it ever just a TV.


So that's top of the line?


You're starting to lose credibility.


Yes, they make some nice TV's.


That's nice. What's your reason for the f-word so much?

I don't care if the parts are the same. Is the workmanship the same? Probably not.


Good for you. I don't care what parts Vizio has, blah, blah, blah, I've seen them and they look terrible.


As do I. I have a Proscan 27", and 3 RCA 27" consoles. They're both made by Thomson Consumer Electronics (a former employer of mine).


I expect my LCD HDTV to display an SD picture just as well as my SDTV does.


Decent? Our opinions differ I believe.
| Now he has more money in

Like Bose?


Dude, what's your obsession with f'ing?

I joined this forum just to respond to this post,

This is the professional forum.

+++++

All we've said is that the Vizio looks like junk. It may be cheap, and you get what you pay for. Nobody's saying to go and get a Pioneer Elite Plasma, but we're just stating our opinions that Vizio looks terrible.

But really, I can't give any credibility to fishnrib because he says he degaussed an LCD TV. Therefore, he obviously has no clue what he's talking about.

That's my point, it's ok to disagree but don't bash the guy because he may not be an expert with TV's. The nice thing to do would be to correct any misinformation. Where you born with all the information or did you "learn" it first? That's how humans learn, by acquiring information.

As a side note, I've compared the Vizio side by side with a few different TV's (in fact I returned my first LCD and exchanged for this one) and this has actually had the best picture quality. As for durablity, that remains to be seen. The Vizio is not part of my home theatre, for that I use my Pioneer. For everyday use, it's really not a bad LCD though.

Anyway, no hard feelings on my end, just want the guy to feel a little more welcome in the forums.

What's being said here is that there are far better TVs out there than a Vizio, and that the absence of comparison (or comparing to other Costco TVs) is no comparison at all.

The custom integrators here (which I am not) and manufacturers here (which I am) have either worked with or seen exhibited at trade shows literally the finest displays on the planet. And the worst too.

Vizio TVs are just one of a dozen bargain basement brands that use seconds from LCD and plasma plants and combine that will low quality worksmanship and components to make a TV that delivers an HD image at a low price point. They have had fantastic success selling inexpensive TVs that are impossible (except for Chris) to integrate properly and deliver below-par performance for a cheap price.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the idea of cheap TVs - not everybody cares for a Fujitsu, NEC, Pioneer Elite, Runco, etc. Some people would like to have one, but don't have the cash. That's okay too - nobody's saying that's wrong. But for someone to claim their Vizio or Westinghouse or Proscan TV is one of the best on the market and acting like everyone should own one because it's really no different than the rest is just plain incorrect.

I will say that I have a huge amount of respect for what V Inc (now Vizio) has done - they've gone from a overseas DVD player company to a well-known discount electronics manufacturer, complete with professional athlete endorsers, glossy boxes, a neat logo, and national television commercials. From a sales and marketing professional, WOW! But no amount of marketing technique can change what a Vizio TV is - a low level, discount television. But in all fairness, they never promise otherwise - just a TV for the masses, at a low price.

Just my two cents - should not be construed as the opinion of my employer.

Maybe he wants to show us that he's all grown up. Or that he's really serious. I mean, really f'ing serious, ya know wuttum sayin ? ? Really, though, he's being just terribly expressive but hiding the facts that a) that's the only word he knows how to use there, and b) he doesn't know how to spell it.


Roddy, I have to take issue with you here. When your benchmark is in the toilet, you get accustomed to the stink and anything that smells like sh%t just seems normal to you. I think that is more likely his problem.

Either that, or it's a problem we used to run into with people who wanted impressive-sounding speakers: they wouldn't buy the accurate ones we recommended because they were not impressive, but a year later they came back unable to stand the "impressive" sound any more.


Hey, fishnrib: have you changed the adjustments of brightness, contrast (or picture) and color since you took it out of the box? If so, how have you changed them, and why? This is not a trick question except that it will tell a lot about what you see.

3 words...
Made in Tijuana!

Most people turn there nose up at cheap Chinese manufacturing... now you have a Korean made panel that is a year old or a second or both. That is assembled into a new Vizio in Tijuana Mexico. Yeah...

Thanks for the nod Trent.

Yes.


It's been my experience in a manufacturing environment that there can never be enough rejects to ship to someone so they can use them to create a cheap line of crap. One or two cheap individual pieces of crap, yeah, but not a whole line. Nowhere near enough to market any one model, and for instance have even a single demo, let alone a demo and two in backup stock for each and every Costco nationwide.

Also, rejects are usually shipped back to the company that made them: no manufacturer will buy a thousand of something, have five bad ones, and just eat those five! They will negotiate in advance to have those five returned, probably freight free, to the manufacturer. What, now, can the manufacturer do with five of them? Or even one thousand? A thousand isn't enough plasma displays to amortize any kind of package design, especially if it involves plastic molds!

The idea of a cheap product being made from seconds is appealing, but I really doubt it is possible. Vizio is made cheap from the start.

I'm sure we could all integrate them. It's just that our customers would have to deal with lack of discretes and other things that keep them from being run with a single button push -- without humans having to make decisions along the way -- which is anathema to any of us installers who deal with good product.

Exactly.



Oops. I think you meant to indicate that this is your opinion, but you implied that your company does not agree with you, so you inadvertently spoke on their behalf....

You can complain about the Vizio's but unfortunately people will still buy them.
We were forced to install 15 50" Vizio's by a customer. After Calibrating the units they looked very good with an HD input.
I can tell you that of the 15 units 7 looked ok out of the box, 1 was terrible, and the others needed calibration.
The missing link to making this TV provide a better than average picture is calibration which every customer seems to overlook or does not understand. Even with a Pioneer Elite there is a substantial improvement to be gained with proper calibration but this is not always explained to the customer. Getting Vizio customers to spend the extra $300 is another challenge

I think the big issue here is this. Just as we try to explain why a customer should spend the extra $$ for a better TV, integration, and overall experience.There are customers who will go out of there way to justify their savings and don't mind dealing with multiple remotes and a picture that is OK. Then they want guys like us to answer all the questions they did not get answered from their costco salesperson.

In most cases if you have to justify the difference between a $1K TV and a $3K TV or higher it is time to move on.

I think Ernie was hinting at torch mode on the last page...

"Seconds" is the term I used, but was probably inaccurate to what I was trying to convey - what I mean was panels that perhaps fall outside of the tightest performance spec, but are in no way inoperable or defective. I agree with you. Vizio is a billion dollar company now - that's a lot of panels!


However, the fact that some brands (Maxent being one) will make the same model TV and use several different glass suppliers indicates that they're having to do some sort of creative sourcing for one reason or another.


Integrate seamlessly, I should have said. It's a good way for you guys to tell who really cares about you and your customers, right?


No, I was saying that what I was spouting was not my company's opinion. I can say with certainty that Audio Authority Corp. has precisely NO official opinion on Vizio, whether positive or negative. But I'll correct my earlier post to make it more clear :). Thanks.