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Pronto TSU-7500 Discontinued?
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Post 16 made on Wednesday June 20, 2007 at 22:29
randman
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ossocao - thanks for your thoughts. Yes, I'm not sure I would like the form factor of the TSU9600. Unfortunately, there's no brick-and-mortar stores nearby that actually carry the TSU9600 in stock for me to get the feel of using one.

Yes, the higher resolution of the TSU9600 is nice. However, other than aesthetics, buttons in a remote can only be made so small - our fingers aren't getting any smaller, and using a stylus is no fun. Thus, I don't see being able to add much more buttons on the TSU9600's screen versus the TSU7500.

Since I already have a TSU7000, getting a TSU7500 would be much easier, since I can reuse my graphics and learned codes. Old/retired equipment in my home theater usually go to the bedroom. If I get the TSU7500, I would use the TSU7500 in the home theater and the TSU7000 in the bedroom, and all my old programming can be very easily reused. Minimal programming changes. And, the TSU7500 is fairly mature, so I don't see running into unexpected behavior or bugs.

If I didn't already have a TSU7000, then I might be more willing to undergo the effort to spend lots of time programming a TSU9600. I still remember the challenge of porting my old TS1000 CCF to a TSU3000. I thought I would spend most of my time redoing just the graphics, but nope, I spent most of the time debugging the TSU3000 and its software, and relearning remote commands that worked flawlessly with the TS1000. It took a year's worth of TSU3000 firmware updates from the time I bought the TSU3000 to the time it worked reliably so that it was able to replace my TS1000.

The thought of how much time I would need to spend to port my PCF to a TSU9600 XCF is discouraging me fom getting a TSU9600. Granted, it's a lot of fun playing with a new Pronto and I would like having the option of using RS232 (primarily for its two way capability, which is not yet available... all my hardware have discrete commands, so IR is really all I need, theoretically). However, at this time, I don't have the free time and won't have any for a while. I figure there's something wrong if I spend more time programming a remote than the time I actually spend enjoying my home theater!

I also did the math, and getting a TSU7500 and an RFX6500 is less than 50% of the cost of getting the TSU9600 and the RFX9600 serial extender (which I would of course want to get if I got the TSU9600).

I'm thinking for now, I'll skip the TSU9600, and maybe wait until the next generation..... (assuming I do have the free time in the future).
Post 17 made on Wednesday June 20, 2007 at 22:58
Peter Dewildt
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The 9600 is roughly the same size as the 7500.

You will have to redo all your graphics as they appear a quarter of the size on the screen.

There are no significant known bugs with the 9600.

The 9600 also will this month have a scripting language which allows you to do almost anything. For example, you can use variables to keep track of the state of everything.
Peter
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Pronto 2xTSU9600, RFX9400
Post 18 made on Wednesday June 20, 2007 at 23:23
ossocao
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On June 20, 2007 at 22:58, Peter Dewildt said...
The 9600 is roughly the same size as the 7500.

You will have to redo all your graphics as they appear
a quarter of the size on the screen.

There are no significant known bugs with the 9600.

The 9600 also will this month have a scripting language
which allows you to do almost anything. For example, you
can use variables to keep track of the state of everything.

A TSU9600 is 11% bigger than a TSU7500. The screen has the same size so it means more plastic around.

I'm shure a 9600 is more capable than a 7500. But is a two hand and I can live w/the few shortcomes of the NGs. I still does not think upgrading worth if you are coming from a 7500. Maybe w/ you have a full auto-home and you still has a B&W RC you should upgrade. But if you are a mortal like most of us and your RC is most for controling IR gea r(via RF or not) and use macros a 7500 will do for years.

Last edited by ossocao on June 22, 2007 17:32.
Post 19 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 00:59
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You may want to consider the new 9400 as it has the same screen resolution as the 7500. However, you would still need to move things around to go from portrait to landscape.
Peter
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Post 20 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 01:27
Daniel Tonks
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The 9400 is also portrait.
Post 21 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 03:07
Peter Dewildt
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That makes migration a breeze. It would appear that the 9400 is the successor to the 7500.
Peter
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Post 22 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 10:19
randman
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On June 20, 2007 at 22:58, Peter Dewildt said...
There are no significant known bugs with the 9600.

Good to know.

Judging from Philip's track record on previous Pronto remotes, it seems there's always a lag (could be a number of months) between the time they first release a product and when the product is truly prime-time ready. Hope that's not the case with the 9600? But, folks are still waiting for the 2-way RS232 (I think Lyndel may have implied it might be available in a couple of months... does anyone have the latest story on that)?

Feature differences aside, do 9600 users generally feel that the TSU9600 is a much higher quality product (in terms of very few bugs) as compared to when the TSU3000/TSU7000 first came out??


The 9600 also will this month have a scripting language
which allows you to do almost anything. For example, you
can use variables to keep track of the state of everything.

That would be a nice feature (still not a necessity IMO, but still nice to have).
Post 23 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 13:55
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On June 21, 2007 at 01:27, Daniel Tonks said...
The 9400 is also portrait.

Did we get a picture and spec sheet yet on that one?
Post 24 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 14:52
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On June 21, 2007 at 10:19, randman said...

Judging from Philip's track record on previous Pronto
remotes, it seems there's always a lag (could be a number
of months) between the time they first release a product
and when the product is truly prime-time ready. Hope that's
not the case with the 9600? But, folks are still waiting
for the 2-way RS232 (I think Lyndel may have implied it
might be available in a couple of months... does anyone
have the latest story on that)?

At this time, I am not at liberty to comment any further than what I've previously stated.
Lyndel McGee
Philips Pronto Addict/Beta Tester
Post 25 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 14:59
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On June 21, 2007 at 10:19, randman said...
But, folks are still waiting
for the 2-way RS232 (I think Lyndel may have implied it
might be available in a couple of months... does anyone
have the latest story on that)?

I'd be very surpised if things are still two months off in this regard. I'm betting we'll see the next update for the TSU9600 before the end of July at the latest.

Feature differences aside, do 9600 users generally feel
that the TSU9600 is a much higher quality product (in
terms of very few bugs) as compared to when the TSU3000/TSU7000
first came out??

Yes. Without a doubt. The more serious bugs with the remote were sorted out and taken care of prior to the remote coming out on the market. There was also a small update released early on to address a few things. That being said, there are various items (not bugs per se) I'd still like to see addressed which supposedly made the cut during the beta test. Hopefully this next update will include some of those things in addition to the 2-way, scripting, etc. The only serious bug I'm still encountering since the beta test is with the screen activating on its own. Very irritating. It will activate on its own via no user input whatsoever, screen goes dark based on my settings, then 4 seconds later it activates again. It will do this over and over again until I reset the remote. Another beta tester has experienced the same bug. I reported said problem during the beta test in detail. Hopefully the problem will be fixed with the next update coming out. Short of that it's been smooth sailing for me.
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Post 26 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 20:36
randman
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You guys aren't making it easy to decide! I was inclined to just get a TSU-7500, and spend little time programming it (since I can reuse most of what I've done w/ my TSU700). However, based on the recent postings, the 9400 is very tempting to wait for, assuming that a PCF can be easily ported to the 9400 (no major work on reprogramming or graphics), yet still give me the option of 2-way RS-232 for future use if/when I have more free time to devote to making changes (assuming 2-way RS-232 will be available for the 9400). I've got 4 devices that have RS-232. Although not required, would be good for things like status info.
Post 27 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 21:02
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How about being able to access RS-232 AND any TCP device on the Wifi network? Would that not be enough incentive to buy the 9X00?
Lyndel McGee
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Post 28 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 22:41
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On June 21, 2007 at 21:02, Lyndel McGee said...
How about being able to access RS-232 AND any TCP device
on the Wifi network? Would that not be enough incentive
to buy the 9X00?

What features will the capability to access "any TCP device" provide? Or, do we have to wait until the official announcement to know? Any hints?

Thanks.
Post 29 made on Thursday June 21, 2007 at 23:13
Lyndel McGee
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Well, If you look at the last class here, you should get the full picture. TCP is short for TCP/IP and specifically, IP (Internet Protocol) is mentioned in this link.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

There's 2-way RS-232 and TCP/IP support.

If you know how to interface with a device that uses a particular protocol, chances are, you can write some script to access it.
Lyndel McGee
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Post 30 made on Friday June 22, 2007 at 07:00
ageage
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hi everybody,

as far as i know the new Pronto´s will be introduced at IFA in Berlin. I will be there and will post some pics.

ageage
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