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| Topic: | Colorado vNet out of business This thread has 122 replies. Displaying posts 61 through 75. |
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| Post 61 made on Wednesday September 23, 2009 at 20:28 |
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On September 23, 2009 at 20:04, edizzle said...
i dont disagree with you but come on thats a little harsh! it is a personal pet peeve of mine to not have a domain appropriate email! It's harsh but: 1. I'm just busting their chops. 2. Even if they get pissed off at me I'm doing them a favor. I mean come on, [email protected]? Even if these guys are outside reps they should have company emails for their rep firms. Let me quote Mark Cuban: [Link: blogmaverick.com]"The first thing I do at this point is look at the senders email address. Is it an email with the company name in the URL ? If it isnt.. ding, ding, ding."
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| Post 62 made on Wednesday September 23, 2009 at 20:41 |
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On September 23, 2009 at 19:33, 2nd rick said...
I find it funny that instead of considering that EVERY OTHER MANUFACTURER of premium lighting control is correct, the assumption is that the oddball Euro spec solution that these guys are importing should all-of-the-sudden be seen as groundbreaking instead of what it is... A system with a widely adopted standard from Europe imported into country who has not adopted the DIN standard.
To extend your automobile analogy... You are not offering different colors, you are offering right-hand drive vehicles and trying to convince us that somehow this is a groundbreaking approach.
Crestron and Vantage manufacture DIN-based systems because they also compete in Europe, S. America, Australia, etc.
However, they build a complete line of panel based centralized systems for the US market because it is the accepted form factor for this market by everyone *except* Colorado vNet and now you guys.... Rick, We are often on the same page but do you really think anyone cares much whether a lighting system is din based? Din stuff is actually pretty cool and used widely in industrial environments. If they were insisting on selling 20" wide A/V components when everyone uses 19" racks I can see the problem. But in this instance it's totally immaterial and here's why. Because a Lutron processor won't install in a Vantage panel. And a Vantage panel won't install in a Crestron panel. And so on. There is 0 interoperability between these systems. So I think very few people who look at this will care in the least about whether or not it's a "panel" system because it's not like you are losing any interoperability or adherence to a standard whatsoever by going with a din system. Heck, a din system is more of a standard than a bunch of totally proprietary panel systems.
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| Post 63 made on Wednesday September 23, 2009 at 22:06 |
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I'm with QQQ here. Din rail, schmin rail. It's a valid, easy and widely accepted method of mounting. I disagree with those who are bashing Clipsal. The fact is, it's a great system and is indeed gaining traction in the US. I find it funny that Clipsal is getting beat up for being an outsider when many of us sell or have sold European or Canadian preamps, amps and speakers. I mean good gear is good gear is good gear. Who gives a rat's a$$ if it's "foreign" or "different". Those kinds of attitudes usually are associated with ignorance and/or arrogance. In all reality, we Americans need to get over both in a good number of ways...
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| OP | Post 64 made on Wednesday September 23, 2009 at 22:06 |
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On September 23, 2009 at 17:55, Fred Harding said...
Kevin-hate to argue with you, but square d owned elan back in the 90's. I attended training in chicago in 95... Oh, the college days. Maybe too much beer and women back then. I could easily see that slipping by me during that time frame. That being said, I stand corrected. Back to the regularly scheduled programming. Agreed!
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| Post 65 made on Wednesday September 23, 2009 at 22:26 |
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in related news,
colorado vnet demo kit for sale,
barely used . .
considering all offers.
d'oh!
luckily i never actually installed a system.
sold two of them but they are currently wired for any solution and they are a few months out.
so happy it happened before i actually installed any.
still pissed about my demo kit though.
perfect timing as i have RTI training tomorrow,
and am working on crestron prodigy next.
: )
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| Post 66 made on Thursday September 24, 2009 at 11:36 |
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Hey Guys, I appreciate the diversity of discussion here and just wanted to clear a few things up. I wasn't trying to be especially covert in my identity by using stott 7 [email protected] , but I was also trying not to come across as a "vulture" and turn this into an overt infomercial for Square D Clipsal by Schneider Electric. I feel we have a legitimate solution for former Colorado V Net installers who have serious product needs in light of recent events. Some people will think I'm a vulture regardless, so here my story (in a nutshell)...my name is Jamie Stott and I'm the Northeast regional product specialist for Square D Clipsal by Schneider Electric. I work directly for Schnieder Electric and have 15 years experience in the industry, 13 years of which were with Lutron. 2. My corporate e mail address is ja mie.sto [email protected] eider-electric.com 3. Our corporate web sites are: www.mySEhome.com www.squaredlightingcontrol.com www.schneider-electric.us4. My direct line is 804-467-7236. 5. I'm starting a separate thread called " Square D Clipsal as an alternate to Colorado V Net" for more specific discussion and information sharing. There I'll be happy to expand on what our existing customers like about our "right hand drive" DIN rail modules, glass plate keypads and other aspects of our product offering. Best Regards to All, Jamie Stott
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| Post 67 made on Thursday September 24, 2009 at 11:48 |
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On September 23, 2009 at 22:06, AnthonyZ said...
Those kinds of attitudes usually are associated with ignorance and/or arrogance. In all reality, we Americans need to get over both in a good number of ways... Our President is helping us daily in that regard...
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| Post 68 made on Thursday September 24, 2009 at 15:24 |
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The only Clipsal jobs I know that were installed in my market were because Clipsal offered to give the product away dirt cheap to the builder, then they came out and did the programming!!! A good AMX/Lutron dealer lost the chance to make a living because of this very unfair practice.
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| Post 69 made on Thursday September 24, 2009 at 16:18 |
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i do agree that they need to find a proper way to distribute this product through the proper channels, this just happened in my territory. straight to builder is not the way to go. i would never use this product for more than centralized lighting. the a/v and auto side does have a way to go.
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| Post 70 made on Thursday September 24, 2009 at 18:03 |
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Seriously, edit your post and put something in that real email address before the spammers scan this site and pull it off. On September 24, 2009 at 11:36, stott71 said...
Hey Guys, I appreciate the diversity of discussion here and just wanted to clear a few things up. I wasn't trying to be especially covert in my identity by using st ott 71@ y ah o o.com , but I was also trying not to come across as a "vulture" and turn this into an overt infomercial for Square D Clipsal by Schneider Electric. I feel we have a legitimate solution for former Colorado V Net installers who have serious product needs in light of recent events. Some people will think I'm a vulture regardless, so here my story (in a nutshell)...my name is Jamie Stott and I'm the Northeast regional product specialist for Square D Clipsal by Schneider Electric. I work directly for Schnieder Electric and have 15 years experience in the industry, 13 years of which were with Lutron. 2. My corporate e mail address is jam ie.st ott @ us.sc hneider-electric.com 3. Our corporate web sites are: www.mySEhome.com www.squaredlightingcontrol.com www.schneider-electric.us4. My direct line is 804-467-7236. 5. I'm starting a separate thread called " Square D Clipsal as an alternate to Colorado V Net" for more specific discussion and information sharing. There I'll be happy to expand on what our existing customers like about our "right hand drive" DIN rail modules, glass plate keypads and other aspects of our product offering. Best Regards to All, Jamie Stott |
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| Post 71 made on Thursday September 24, 2009 at 21:19 |
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Wow I think we have finally found something worse than A-bus, enter Schneider with C-BUS! I mean seriously they could have gone with B-BUS no?
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| Post 72 made on Thursday September 24, 2009 at 21:23 |
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Square D Clorado V A-Bus C-Bus B-Bus 
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| Post 73 made on Friday September 25, 2009 at 01:01 |
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they are showing hints of staying alive.
since the announcement of going under,
they have had tons of interest in new funders.
its a shame either way,
they lost me . .
im grateful i never actually installed one (was very close)
at this point they scared the sh!t out of me . . the thought of not
having future product is nvts.
i went to an rti training today and really enjoyed that,
going back for the two way training portion tomorrow.
i am going for crestron prodigy soon . .
the fact that the company behind the product
is rock solid really has a new meaning.
ive never seen phast, but from what i read,
i would never want to be in that situation.
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| Post 74 made on Friday September 25, 2009 at 04:51 |
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lol, i am using that one. i still use SNA. :) On September 24, 2009 at 21:23, 39 Cent Stamp said...
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| OP | Post 75 made on Friday September 25, 2009 at 10:13 |
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I'd like to ask any dealers or prospective dealers, would they continue to support the vNet line if they came back or would the thought of this happening again in the near future keep you at bay?
Me personally, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing my continegent liablilty to my clients if I were to go forward and they rolled again.
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