QQQ, and all the rest.  It's always a sad day when a otherwise sucessful product manufacturer doesn't make it, but these are tough times.

I'm with stott71 on Post #37 & #45, and after talking to installers who also used to do Colorado V Net (as of yesterday) and he indicated we could, in most cases, using the pre-wiring Cat.5 infrastructure install our Clipsal systems.  Many of the other options could require rewiring, and if walls are closed it will be costly to make a change.

Clipsal may not be a household name to installers, but we're the new system that has been around and very successful since the early nineties, plays well with AMX and Crestron, and is very cost competitive with Lutron while doing more.  We also have a strong company behind us, who also does extremely well in the commericial marketplace in Lighting & Control.

If I can answer any questions or help the installers in the Western US, send me an email:  [email protected]

Did i read QQQ suggesting AMX for lighting? Are we sure AMX really wants to do lighting this time around?

They left the lighting market pretty Phast last time.

Actually, AMX never got Out of the lighting business at all. Their Radia line, although never popular for residental applications, has always been a strong product line.

Stott and Nyles, when you guys have been around here supporting and selling to us for more than a couple of days, then I'll look at you, untill then, I'll stick with Lutron, thank you. 

Kevin-hate to argue with you, but square d owned elan back in the 90's. I attended training in chicago in 95...

Back to the regularly scheduled programming.

Right! Replace one butt-ugly keypad with another! Makes sense to me!

[Link: elanhomesystems.com]

"Since a management-led buyout from the Square D Company in 1995..."

I would invite you to create a new thread and provide more details on what you have to offer. Posting within a thread dedicated to another manufacturer (although they are headed out of the business) still seems a touch parasitic.

Just saying.

Also, my opinion is that DIN rail module lighting is not going to take hold in the US. Again, it goes back to my observation that those vendors who tend to go against the grain, also tend to go away.

Rick,

I appreciate your recommendation on opening a seperate thread.

The wiring topology for Colorado vNet is compatible with Clipsal, and therefore can work for a project already underway.

DIN rail technology has recently been offered by Crestron, and is available from other manufacturers in the US.  It's been a major form factor for Europe and the rest of the world.  The distributed topology wasn't  the reason for the decline of C-vNet.  Going away from black cars was considered a dangerous move in it's day.

There is a small town about 60 miles north of me... On Saturday the Mayor is declaring Glenn Beck Day, and giving him a key to the city, (because he grew up there)!!! WOW!

With all that commitment and strength they have, maybe it's time to give the boss a call and ask him to get you a real email address*. Before a third guy who reps some other area shows up with an aol address.

:p

*Maybe you could even move from the 70's to the 10's and get "[email protected]".

I find it funny that instead of considering that EVERY OTHER MANUFACTURER of premium lighting control is correct, the assumption is that the oddball Euro spec solution that these guys are importing should all-of-the-sudden be seen as groundbreaking instead of what it is... A system with a widely adopted standard from Europe imported into country who has not adopted the DIN standard.

To extend your automobile analogy... You are not offering different colors, you are offering right-hand drive vehicles and trying to convince us that somehow this is a groundbreaking approach.

Crestron and Vantage manufacture DIN-based systems because they also compete in Europe, S. America, Australia, etc.

However, they build a complete line of panel based centralized systems for the US market because it is the accepted form factor for this market by everyone *except* Colorado vNet and now you guys....

i dont disagree with you but come on thats a little harsh! it is a personal pet peeve of mine to not have a domain appropriate email!

i have never used clipsal but have been looking into it as a lower cost solution for centralized lighting controls, but what in the heck does it matter that the modules are din rail mounted? they still mount in an enclosure. you either put the module in a can and screw it in or slide it on a din rail. how is that going against the grain?