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How's the "Affordable Healthcare" going for everyone?
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Post 91 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 10:21
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1. Muslim? What does this have to do with anything?
2. Making it simple is what works.
3. And how does making it beneficial take away your freedoms?

Having your pockets picked by corporate masters is exactly what is happening right now and has been for the past 50 years.

I'm not sure whether you're goading or if you actually believe what you are saying, but if you do believe that, then I am concerned that someone like you might ever be in a position of influence.

And buy a dictionary.
Post 92 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 10:30
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On October 5, 2013 at 00:55, cnacht said...
I applaud your idealism on this issue, and think it would be great to deliver health care to every one as well. The problem is that you can't do that without rationing, and no one has the stomach for that in this country. If you don't ration in a national health care system, it will go bust. When you try to please everyone, you please no one.

Health care has not been rationed in this country? For years I've heard of complaints about insurance coming up short when caring for recurring issues. The industry, before ACA, was encumbered by a bureacracy not only of the government but of the insurance industry.

It appears they have been given a pass in this discussion.

Back to the questions of 90 yr olds getting dialysis: how many insurers ride along with that?

I dispute the contention that will have to deal with rationing, as we have been dealing with already. For a long time.
Post 93 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 10:43
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On October 5, 2013 at 00:55, cnacht said...
I get it, you feel the government is the solution to the health care problem. Correct me if I am wrong, but you feel that we should have a socialized medical system and that would fix most of the issues with our health care system because the private sector could never figure it out. I say you are wrong based on my 15 years of not only being a physician, but being a board member of a multi-specialty clinic. Medicare has been around for ages and is not going away and we get that, but it the most screwed up system we have to deal with. Every year they throw some more unfunded mandate our way, most of which only make it harder to take care of our patients.

I get that you are in the industry. But your argument seems to distill down to 'your wrong because because Medicare sucks and trying to make everybody happy makes nobody happy and I'm a doctor.' And something about malpractice, which Mogul wants to keep up with, but its not really a key driver of where we are today.

That's just not doing it for me.

I'm thrilled to have the insight of somebody in the biz but don't forget for a moment we're all the consumers of health care. I've been in Kaiser for most of my life and pay dearly for it. You know what? They ration care: I can only see a chiropractor X number of times a year.
Post 94 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 10:59
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On October 4, 2013 at 12:57, Mogul said...
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It appears that reports of widespread enrollment are largely exaggerations by proponents of the law.

Most of what I hear about enrollment are detractors complaining that nothing works. Your comment is a strawman.


In the meantime--to clarify--I was not asserting that malpractice insurance premiums were the SOLE or CHIEF driver of medical costs. I was merely responding in a focused way to BP's assertion that citing medical malpractice costs as a cause for high prices is a "logical canard."  I also purposefully focused on a specific cost that affects individual doctors--who are human beings--since there's such a societal penchant for discounting the challenges they face as individuals.

It is a frequently used canard to muck up conversations about health care costs. Doing the math, at this point I don't even know why it is discussed. Much less what doctor's individual issues are, or something about slavery. I don't understand where you were going with that. 
Post 95 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 12:35
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On October 5, 2013 at 10:43, BigPapa said...
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I get that you are in the industry. But your argument seems to distill down to "you're wrong because because Medicare sucks and trying to make everybody happy makes nobody happy and I'm a doctor".

BP, he "claims" to be in the industry.


Me, I don't believe it.


"I will have to say that us physicians" is another clue.

Written like the average 6th grader, not a well educated doctor...
Post 96 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 12:47
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Hey, you're on thin ice already TSS. Wear your swimsuit, the tight pink one.
Post 97 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 13:18
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The solution is kill all lawyers. Lawyers file lawsuits in malpractice cases. Lawyers write the contracts and figure out the loopholes for insurance companies. Lawyers write the bills/laws for regulating insurance companies. Kill them all.


Then we can ban insurance companies all together. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies will have to go back to charging what people can actually afford to pay. Maybe we can start bartering for healthcare again. Think I could get my wife to agree to raise chickens to trade with my kids' pediatricians?
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

Post 98 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 15:14
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On October 5, 2013 at 13:18, Fins said...
The solution is kill all lawyers. Lawyers file lawsuits in malpractice cases. Lawyers write the contracts and figure out the loopholes for insurance companies. Lawyers write the bills/laws for regulating insurance companies. Kill them all.

That would not be a complete and final solution, but it's a damn fine start

Then we can ban insurance companies all together. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies will have to go back to charging what people can actually afford to pay.

Whoa, if Pharma didn't charge those high prices, then we would not get to watch all those high priced commercials that clog the 6pm news on the major networks (some of the most expensive advertising)....and I for one would sorely miss those wonderfully insightful and educational 60 seconds spots (that's sarcasm in case anyone is comprehension impaired)
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Post 99 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 15:26
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On October 5, 2013 at 15:14, FP Crazy said...
That would not be a complete and final solution, but it's a damn fine start

I had a girl rear end me this past Monday. Sometime between then and yesterday afternoon, I received 6 solicitations from attorneys up to 2 hours away. I think it would be more than just a start.
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Post 100 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 15:54
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OK, thanks for the set up:

If you were to rear end her...and if she were under age...then you would need a lawyer
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Post 101 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 20:03
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On October 5, 2013 at 15:26, Fins said...
I had a girl rear end me this past Monday.

Most guys wouldn't talk openly about having a strap on used on them...


Dayum dude!
Post 102 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 20:20
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On October 5, 2013 at 12:35, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
BP, he "claims" to be in the industry.

Me, I don't believe it.

"I will have to say that us physicians" is another clue.

Written like the average 6th grader, not a well educated doctor...

I was trying to bow out of this discussion because I can see this going around in circles forever, but feel I need to comment on the above.
First of all, if you don't think I am a doctor I don't really care.
Make that the third post of yours that hasn't provided any substance to the conversation. When you don't have anything constructive to say, cutting down the person you are arguing with is the most childish technique there is.

I have frequented this forum since 2005 and as you can see I don't post very often. The way some of you berate DIYers and disrespect some of your fellow CI's reaffirms why I don't. Acting like a first grade teacher and correcting people's grammar and wording rather than discussing the substance shows that you probably have nothing good to say anyway.

BP, I appreciate your articulate expression of the opposing view point from mine. I think that health care in this country would improve by improving the private system while you feel that expanding the government system would be the answer. Truthfully the answer is probably somewhere in between. I would bet that if we sat down and talked about this, rather than going back and forth in this forum, that we would find common ground that would make more sense than what the clowns in congress have come up with. Unfortunately the clowns in congress probably don't care what we think here on Remote Central.
To answer another question BP asked before, Medicare will pay for dialysis on a 90 year old. I had a patient recently pass away at 90yo that was on dialysis for at least 5 years before he passed.
Chad
Also, I agree that getting rid of lawyers would probably be the best health care reform!!!!

Last edited by cnacht on October 5, 2013 20:46.
Post 103 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 21:33
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On October 2, 2013 at 08:18, Mr. Brad said...
Congratulations. How about some links to the projects so we can see your work.

At CEDIA we won gold for...

•Best of Show
•Best Integrated Home
•Best Hidden Installation

This link only shows 2 of the 3 awards [Link: cedia.net] . If you right click/view image on the thumbnails you can see a slightly larger version of 1 photo for each award.

Crestron we got silver for "awesome Audio". They posted a pic of an outdoor TV...for some reason. [Link: crestron.com]

If you are an integrator/installer there are a lot more photos posted at esiorg.com. Currently i/we don't have the rights to post the photos publicly.
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Post 104 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 21:37
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On October 5, 2013 at 10:21, iform said...
1. Muslim? What does this have to do with anything?

9/11. Never forget!

2. Making it simple is what works.
3. And how does making it beneficial take away your freedoms?

I need my bible and my guns and thats it.

Having your pockets picked by corporate masters is exactly what is happening right now and has been for the past 50 years.

And thats the way it should be! How else do you expect trickle down to work?

I'm not sure whether you're goading or if you actually believe what you are saying, but if you do believe that, then I am concerned that someone like you might ever be in a position of influence.

I don't think you have to worry about me ever being in a position of influence.

And buy a dictionary.

I can't afford it after 8 years of Bush in the white house.
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Post 105 made on Saturday October 5, 2013 at 22:11
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I made a lot more money the eight years Bush was in office, than I have in the last five. I have not seen one example in this thread of someone that was able to sign up and get "affordable" health care. I don't see how even the biggest kool-aid drinkers can defend that. It is called the "affordable" care act after all.
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