I watched and read. He doesn't think he's doing anything morally wrong and I think it's clear he doesn't understand the legality of it either. It is his right to be an ignorant fool. Your rights cannot come at the expense of others merely because you have a business.

Ending bigotry and racism through education would be a better solution than having to create law against it. But the same can be true for all other crime. The reason we have laws is because it still happens. It would be nice if the United States didn't have to have the Civil Rights Act, but we did and obviously still do.

Unless you're talking about some whiney liberal woo racial sensitivity training..... LOL.

The fact is that the Civil Rights Act is not telling you how to run your business. It's telling how not to run your business specifically with regard to discrimination for race/religious/other group reasons.

Agreed.

Im curious, how do you guys feel about no smoking in restaurants?

I personally love it as I don't smoke. But I think it is sooo wrong for the government to mandate it!!! If a restaurant wants people to be able to smoke that's the choice they made. It gives the consumer the ability to choose. Restraint or bar where I can smoke. Or where I can't smoke! The fu@king nanny state!!!

Having a smoking "section" in a eatery is like having a peeing section in a pool.

Personally I think they ought to allow masturbation in restaurants. It certainly causes less harm than smoking!

"Table for 2? Oh, you are masterbaters? Over there in that section please."

Since they don't allow this, I say no smoking either. If I can hold my urges until I get home, certainly smokers should have to hold their urges too.

Then just make smoking illegal then.

And making like a monkey in a mango tree is best left for the parking lot!

I'd personally rather have a "peeing in the pool section" than public smoking. At least then i could avoid it without having it blown on me

The smell of smoke is disgusting. I find it very rude when someone walks over and stands next to you then lights up. I feel like whipping it out and pissing on them. I had this happen Wed night at my kids hockey game.

People can smoke wherever they want as long as their action has no impact on my well being. I think that is the salient point. Keep your smoke to yourself. Most people don't want it blown in their face.

I just read the original post in this thread and a few following comments.

I wonder where I'd fall in this category.

Back in 1990/91 I had a Glock 19 I wanted to sell. I was going to school at Oklahoma State. OK had no real laws about transfering a firearm. I lied and said it was sold when the first two attempted purchasers were Pakistanis.

Does that make me racist? We were at war at the time.

I felt it was prudent.

I chose who I sold the gun to

Lol, are you hiring bartenders? I'll work for tips

Okay, I think the "message" Keller has put out there is wrong and his actions are illegal. I still don't see how you can call him a racist. Lets really think about what he said in his ad and the quotes in the article. He stated that if you are a SOCIALIST liberal, not just a Liberal in general, or if you voted for Obama then you should not take the course. He didn't say he wouldn't teach you. He doesn't believe that socialist liberals or Obama supporters have the ability to make solid decisions. Is that rude? Yep. Does it make him a bigot? Yep. Did he break any laws with this part of his message? I don't see that he did but am open for a different interpretation of the CRA. Now, the second half of his message is clearly illegal (thanks BigPapa for the clarification, not sure how I missed that but I did) because he has stated that he will NOT teach Muslims or non-Christian Arabs. This is discrimination based on religion. It makes him a xenophobe and a bigot. I don't see how that makes him racist. Being Muslim is a religious belief, not a specific race. It seems quite obvious that he has a chip on his shoulder about radical Muslim terrorists. The inclusion of non-Christian Arabs seems to me to just be a reinforcement of the anti-Muslim sentiment he is displaying. To make this term racist you would have to include Jews under the "non-Christian Arab" statement. That leads me to question whether or not being Israeli and Jewish makes you an Arab. With the Arab-Israeli conflict still in swing I would expect a Jewish person to take offense to that kind of inclusion. We obviously don't know if he was meaning to include Jews in his statement. So this then becomes a fine line as to whether he is actually racist per the definition of racist.

Let me make it perfectly clear that I do not support this individual's point of view. I do think we have become a very conflicted society due to the PC movement. I think it would be better for society to actually acknowledge that we are all different and to be able to laugh with each other about those differences. Many comdedians are taking this track with their shows and I think it helps to ease the tension that can come with discusion of tough issues. My only point with this post is to get people to think before simply throwing out terms like "racist" when you opose the point of view of someone who obviously is a bigot.

Stamp, please stop calling anyone that disagrees with your point of view a "redneck racist". I don't see anyone here defending what this guy has said. The questions being raised are legitimate even if they have already been resolved via the CRA. This xenophobe is likely to incur some serious legal issues over his statements. That does not mean that after the dust settles that he will have changed his mind or that he will do business with people he doesnt want to do business with. Had he established his private shooting range as a members only club and then offered classes only to the members he would be within the bounds of the law. Had he kept his mouth shut and simply lied to people (class is full, sorry) he didn't want to teach he would have been within the confines of the law. He would still be discriminating, no law can actually stop that, but he wouldn't have created a legal mess for himself. Please go look up the history of the term redneck and then try to understand why many southerners (the Jeff Foxworthy fanbase for example) take offense to you using the term redneck in a negative fashion. Wikipedia has a great write up on the term. Disregard the current negativity that "redneck" is used in and look at the history. I think you will find that rednecks played a very important part in history.

Lastly, I do believe that some discrimination is a good thing. Calm down, calm down. I bet all of you agree. There is at least one instance of discrimination based on gender that no one seems to have a problem with. What is it? I know and will tell later but I want to see who can guess the answer first. No prizes, sorry.

Well he did say "Arabs", but regardless, i think the term "racist" is meant more as a term to call someone who discrimates against entire groups of people, this could be due to their race, political views, religion, whatever.

I'm not saying its correct, but that's how I take it. What is the term used for someone who discrimates against democrats? or Religous views? sorry, not democrasts, he said liberals?

If i see water i know its wet. If you have an ugly baby i will tell you its ugly. If you are a redneck racist i will let you know about it.

I never called anyone here a racist. I said the guy in the video is a redneck racist. Because he is. I also said that anyone agreeing with his point of view has a skewed sense of right and wrong and is also probably a redneck racist.

My point of view isn't just mine. Its the right point of view. You either get that or you don't. It is not okay to be a racist. Period. If someone is a racist they have the right to be that way inside their own mind. Once that racism leaves their tiny little brain and starts to manifest itself outside in the real world inside the United States of America... They are doing something wrong and i will be the first one to let them know about it.

I wont be one of those sitting around saying "there was nothing we could do about it" like the Germans after world war 2. They had plenty of chances to do something about it but chose not to.

Its that obvious? :) It doesnt come from a definition listed in webster.


"Just asking". You got it.


My opinion is soley based on your posts and not knowing who you are from any other avenue. Same as your opinion of me. We may very well both be wrong. Thats life. If a pole was taken here it sounds you might be surprised at the results of what people think of your polictical bias. I know my bias and would have no surprise face.


I interpret those that "support" this guy as not supporting his belief but supporting his right to be an idiot. Correct, we can move on. My belief of a bigoted liberal has not changed. It may over time possibly if a better job is done with your posting that leaves less room for misinterpretation? Oh no,,,, there is that "classy" question mark again.

Wry smile huh? lol Approriately put.


Where did I say I support this guy FULLY? Discriminate on race alone is clear in the law. What I support is the prejudice and suspicion one may have. To say one wouldnt feel threatened by a suspicious charactor is flat out lying for the sole purpose of being PC. Where he is dead wrong is labelling ALL muslims just as some here are wrong in labelling ALL rednecks.


See above.


Got it and actually is kind of funny. I knew who Ed was and was funning back.

You didnt? then who are you referring to:


From a redneck racist? Im sorry, but I dont think you are recalling your own posts correctly.

I am a hillbilly... the "liberal cousin" of a redneck. I am the best person for spotting and labeling rednecks. I have an entire family tree filled with both rednecks and hillbillies that stretches back almost 200 years in the mountains of West Virginia. Most of the rednecks live on government assistance and vote republican... for some reason.

Race doesn't really exist. Google DNA. We are all the same. That doesn't stop some from being racist. All rednecks are racist. I have to use their imaginary terminology to describe them or everyone gets confused. So even though there is no such thing as race... we have crazy people who A.Think there is. and B.Think their race is better than the others. I think its pretty convenient that all racists think their race is the best. Wouldn't it suck to be an honest racist and have to say "yeah.. their race really is better".

Being that i am smart enough to know that race is a figment of some peoples imagination i can't allow myself to be labeled a "racist against rednecks". I do hate rednecks though. I accept the term "redneck hater" or "normal person who should hate rednecks".

I hate rednecks, child molesters, murderers, terrorists, bullies... basically anyone who doesn't wish to (or understand how to) coexist with the rest of us in modern society. They have two choices. A. Float off into some remote location and live out their miserable days alone. B. Raise an army like Hitler and get their own country.

Read the above post. You type too fast.