Absolutely.


Agreed. Corporations should be penalized via import tax on all products. Enough tax that it all of a sudden makes sense to keep jobs here.


The OWS movement is made up of different people/groups/organizations. I don't participate or follow it so i really have no comment about it. Winter is coming and it will be gone soon.


My country is called the United States. Do i think many corporations and their wealthy owners are driven by so much greed that it has led them to help destroy our country while they build bigger boats and take helicopter rides to work? Yes. But i am smart enough to know that the real issue is campaign funds. Remove the "get rich quick" from politics and everything else will correct itself. No motivation for politicians to let corporations ship jobs overseas? All of a sudden the tax rate comes up and they have to pay their fair share.


Ditto.

From dictionary.com.....

rac·ist
  [rey-sist] Show IPA

noun
1.
a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.



The term you are looking for concerning religion or political view would be xenophobe or bigot. He did not say that he would not teach Arabs. If you are a Christian Arab he would be willing to teach you the class. Since Jewish people aren't generally considered Arabs, and some may even be offended by being called Arab, it is a stretch to call him racist. That is my only point. We have words that describe what this guy is and yet the wrong termonology is still being used. That means people either don't know the correct definition of racist or bigot or xenophobe OR they are just being assholes and using racist because it is more controversial. I am not defending the position this man has taken by any means but if we are going to be on the correct side of the argument it is important to use our words correctly.

Yes. The same dbag who would light up a cigarette in a resturaunt is the same d-bag who curses while standing in line behind children (you keep leaving bits out of my posts for some reason) and takes up two parking spots.


Finally.


Your the guy who keeps trying to twist what i am saying by editing my responses by not quoting the whole thing. You should work for FOX. Erase/Splice/Edit... Run the story?

Don't feel sorrow for me. Your opinion about me means as much as a park benches opinion about me.

Just say redneck and everyone will know what you mean.

I think the conflict in society is due to race relations and insensitivity, not the 'PC movement.' This 'movement,' if it could even be called that, is merely a group of actions meant to rectify another problem. You're complaining about a solution (if not perfect or ideal), not the actual problem. Weird.

I find it odd that you see 'PC' as a problem and not the things that PC is trying to address.

As if it is that difficult to change the words or phrases one uses that may offend other members of society.

This is where you are just wrong and being plain stupid. YOUR definition is not a true definition, its the same narrow minded, inaccurate, bigoted definition. So, just knock it off. You're actually being a jerk.

Your reply in the Occupy/Rich was respectable. Suprised me. Stick with those.

Off to adjust a PTZ.

I was raised in Chicago. 8 years in uptown and the rest on the North West Side. Uptown was a melting pot with 20 nationalities all living on the same block. North West Side was mostly Puerto Rican and Mexican with a handful of Irish/German/Polish.

My accent is sort of plain with a dash of Cris Farley's "DA-BEARS" and the english speaking Puerto Rican accent. Accents have always been interesting to me. When i am talking with someone with an eastern European accent i catch myself pronouncing words like they do. Or i will catch myself stuttering after speaking with someone who stutters.

My mother has a sister and 2 brothers. My mother sounds like a typical Chicagoan. Her sister and younger brother have thick WVA accents and the older brother has the deep south southern accent. All 4 were born in WVA but raised in Chicago and all lived there into their 20's. The older brother was a marine during the Vietnam war and ended up in Baton Rouge LA and hes still there. You can hear the Southern/New Orleans/Cajun accent when he speaks. All three accents are distinct but you can hear all 3 with him.

My mom started working as a secretary when she was young so she worked around Chicagoans. My aunt has been a house wife and her husband is from WVA. My other uncles wife was a Chicagoan and he worked around other Chicagoans.

I find it fascinating that they all sound differently. Even with my mom and uncle who have had similar life/work experience. Cognitive modeling is a simple but complex phenomenon. It's responsible for how we talk, walk, eat and even think. This is why its so important to get out in the world and pay attention and try to understand why others do things the way they do.

Its why i don't assume all Mexicans are illegal aliens. Some were in the US before my ancestors were. I don't assume all Muslims are terrorists or all Christians want to blow up abortion clinics. On the other hand... I don't keep my mind so open that my brain falls out. I know that some Muslims are terrorists and some Christians want to blow up abortion clinics and some Mexicans are not legally in the United States.

Just because some rednecks like to use this derogatory comment as a term of endearment doesn't mean i have to. Think African Americans who think its okay to use the N word.

The jerks are the ones who take pride in being.........

The free Dictionary :

red·neck (rdnk)
n. Offensive Slang
1. Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
2. A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.

Dictionary.com :

red·neck
   [red-nek] Show IPA Informal: Often Disparaging.
noun
1.
an uneducated white farm laborer, especially from the South.
2.
a bigot or reactionary, especially from the rural working class.
adjective
3.
Also, red-necked. narrow, prejudiced, or reactionary: a redneck attitude. Synonyms: biased, narrow-minded, intolerant. Antonyms: fair-minded, open-minded, broad-minded, tolerant, unbiased, impartial.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org]

some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier

I really don't understand why my opinions of others came into as a point of discussion. I don't really care either. What is your point other than you think I'm a liberal bigot? I get it, you've made that clear. I've made it clear you've mistakenly interpreted the term 'bigot,' pointed out the why/how, and asked where you see any 'liberal' statements from me. As in back up what you say with some facts or reason. The response was to say I'm a bigot again. So I guess you will again respond to this statement by saying I'm a bigot.

Making an assertion repeadedly does not reinforce a point, it's merely being redundant.


Again, this is incorrect and we cannot move on. You are supporting his perceived right to discriminate based on race, religion, or political affiliation. This is the critical point in this thread. He does not need 'support' in his right to be an idiot, that much is obvious since there is no law against being an idiot.


Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You don't support discrimination against race, but it seems you do support lawful discrimination based on religious or political affiliation? Nobody is saying 'one wouldnt feel threatened by a suspicious charactor' so I don't know who you're talking about is 'flat out lying for the sole purpose of being PC.' Where the hell you going with that? 

BTW, 'non-Christian Arabs' is not an exclusively religious descriptor. Jews were actually an Arab people although it seems today's classification is changing. I doubt Keller put much thought into this. However, 'Arab' is a race. I'm all for being specific and clear and not carelessly misusing terms, I wish others in this thread would respect that as well.

Some rappers have reclaimed the N word for the same reasons. Ignorance is bliss?

Actually the Jews were always considered Arab but this change is only within the last few decades. Read the history of 'Semitic peoples.' Whether Keller was talking about Jews or not, who knows. He is clearly being a bigot, and 'non-Christian Arab' is a racial/religious classification. There is a religious component, and a racial component.

If he said 'I'll teach non pants-hanging-too-low-rapper Negroes' would that be a racial classification? I removed the religious qualifier and put in a social qualifier.

The term 'Arab' is a racial classification. His description is 'non(religious)+racial=approved,' which mean the alternate '(religious)+racial' or 'racial' are not approved. 

I find it odd that you are taking such a stand on this specific clarification. Maybe it's because you have an issue with 'assholes using racist because it's more controversial.' This situation is controversial enough, no need to make it more controversial. The facts are pretty clear, we have a radio ad and the Civil Rights Act to review and it seems he is against the law in 1,2, or maybe even 3 ways. You disagree on #3, so be it. But I am not an asshole for throwing this in to sweeten the pot.

But I'm glad you don't like the misuse of terms such as racist. I can count on your response the next time somebody says the headscratcher 'people who cry racism are the real racists.'

Water is not always wet when it can be seen. Telling someone their baby is ugly very well will result in you getting your ass kicked on top of being completely rude. Being a redneck is not the same as being racist. Stating an incorrect fact over and over does not make it any less incorrect. You are better than this.


Actually you did but that has already been pointed out.



Who here has said it was okay to be a racist? That doesn't mean that everyone who fits the term redneck is also a racist. You saying it does is a bigotted statement and removes all credence to your argument. I certainly do not condone racism in any manner but I also do not condone a misuse of a very harsh word when it is being applied out of context. If you are incorrect in what you are labeling someone, even if your intent is to state that someting is wrong, does not make your point of view right. Yes, it is semantics but that is the difference between being educated and not. Rednecks, hillbillies, wool hats and the like are not always racists. My wife has family in the hills of Kentucky who certainly qualify as hillbillies (and hillbetties). They are not, however, racists. Kind of hard to be racist when you are a caucasian female who is married to an african american male. I enjoy watching motorsports, not Nascar though, so that would technically qualify me as a redneck and I can assure you that I am far from being racist even though I grew up in the southeastern states.


You should really read more history. Your statements here show that you are not that educated about what exactly took place in Germany. America holds a good bit of the blame for not intervening in the attacks on Jews in Germany because we were more worried about them defaulting on bond debt. Our government knew what was happening and did nothing, not even a vocal response against the inhumane treatment of Jews before the war. Check out a book called In The Garden of Beasts by Erik Larson. He was the American Diplomat in Germany during Hitler's reign of hate. This is a non-fiction account of how Hitler brainwashed the German public and how America set idly by waiting for money. It also exposes how many in the goverment were in agreement with Hitler. Once the Germans realized what was happening it really was too late for them to do anything. Those that did speak up found themselves dead or beaten to the edge of death or worse.

I asked if anyone could tell me when discrimination is okay. Society certainly partakes in discrimination now, actively, and without protest. Gender discrimination is still discrimination. Do you know when discrimination is acceptable societal behavior? Yes, even YOU are being discriminated against and indulge in the same discrimination that is leveraged against you.

lol!!

I have agreed that he is a bigot and a xenophobe. I certainly see the religious discrimination but find that is a bit of a stretch to outright say he is racist. Yes, there is a racial component but his statement on this leads me to believe that if you were a Christian Arab he would teach you the class, thus negating the racial component. Since his comments are within the last few decades I am taking that into consideration and that was my argument that Jews might dislike being called Arab.


Yes but you know that already. He is certainly referring to race but that doesn't mean that he hates that race or that he feels his race is better than the other races. That is my point.


I haven't argued, since you corrected me on that one point, that he is not in violation of the CRA in full. I am strictly picking at the fact that calling him a racist doesn't actually fit with the definition of the word. I agree that he is a bigot and a xenophobe. I think his views are completely out of line. I also am sick of hearing the term racist applied to everyone that disagrees with someone else's point of view. (Disagree with the policies of Obama? RACIST!) It is ridiculous. To be accused of racism is in this day and age a very serious accusation and should not be thrown around lightly. I am simply trying to debate the validity of calling him a racist. It seems a stretch to say he is racist, to me, but I am not stuck on that being the "fact". I would rather err on the side of caution before making such an accusation and be certain that the facts warrant the descriptor. That said, I was not referring to anyone here when I wrote what I did about 'some asshole....'. That was an internal thought about the media expressed without clarification.


That headscratcher is the most ridiculous spin of words ever, in my humble opinion. It ranks along side "corporate greed" and "military intelligence". I do see your point on the racial component of what he said and my interpretation is different. It doesn't make what he said any less wrong. I feel that calling him a racist is a bit strong when bigot and xenophobe fit his actions better. He truly does fit xenophobe and that encompasses racism if memory serves me. It's just semantics in the end.

So, can you tell me where in society we discriminate based on gender and it is socially acceptable and also a good thing? No one else seems willing to take on this question.