everyone is so angry on here

On July 19, 2009 at 19:11, edizzle said...
Vincent, you are no doubt a true retard. the original poster was asking about combination style matrix/amp all in one DA systems like niles, russound, nuvo, adagio, etc. i have made it very clear in every post, that this is what i am talking about.
of course you can run a crestron CNAMPX-12X60 and run towers, subs, and whatever. this amp (designed by ATI) is a beast. it has enough headroom to do this. not to mention if you bridge it. you really need to pay attention to what people are saying in there posts.

ok genius when you run the niles, russound, etc amps at 4 ohms they all put out more than 60wpc.

thats not what you said? read your response above. it looks as if you are saying that any russound, niles, nuvo amp at 4ohms would compare equally to a crestron CNAMPX-12X60. which in itself is stupid, as most (not all) speakers in the DA realm are 8ohm rated.

informing the original poster that any speaker you would use in this application is already crossed over is absolutely misinformative. in the context of seperating bass frequencies from the main speakers, which is what we were discussing, this would lead someone to believe that the speakers are crossed over and the bass has been taken out of the mix. any two way speaker is crossed over but it is between the tweeter and main driver, not the main driver and the sub.
 

Good luck to everyone no matter what product you are pushing. Both Control4 and Crestron will be successful in the mid market. Just don't forget HomeLogic as I have said before.

Here is my best work - watcha think? (trying to inject some humor on a fine Wednesday afternoon)

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OK, I will figure it out. I tried to setup account on photobucket and get "We're sorry. Based on the information you have submitted to us, you are ineligible to register on Photobucket."

Prodigy is not a product line aimed at 'killing' C4. It has nothing to do with C4 and never will. It is a product line aimed at lower price points and limited, consistent functionality. Hmmm, I wonder what market that could be aimed at primarily? Lets think about this for a second. Crestron partners with Intelity to provide the ICE solution for the hospitality market. Less than a month later they issue a press release about the forthcoming Prodigy line.

Would it make sense to build a compact, quickly deployable, brain dead easy to program system that would work in hotel rooms? Yes. Is it of benefit to any other market to build a low cost solution? Yes, residential, commercial, government, educational (although the Crestron iMedia line is doing well there), entertainment, hospitality, military, medical and corporate markets could also benefit.

C4 builds the product they build and it seems to be a decent product with some nifty functionality. I personally dont care for the use of hard drives (moving parts) in the C4 systems. While the use of hard drives is great for media playback and storage I prefer my homes program to run from flash based memory only.

The PMC2 (Prodigy processor) does not have an on screen display from what I have been told. It does have a two way zigbee pro handheld remote (PLX2) with the gateway built in to the box. The lack of the OSD prevents an apples to apples comparison with C4 as thats the backbone of the C4 control concept. I prefer to simply grab my wand remote and control what I need to control while getting metadata to the LCD on the wand. Before you hardcore C4 guys flame me into a charcoal nugget, I am aware that you can receive some metadata to the C4 wand but it is my understanding that it is limited and you only have one (maybe two) lines of text available at any one time. If I am wrong about this then feel free to post the correct amount of data that can be displayed and how much data can be displayed on one screen at a time.

My point is that Crestron may have a product line, with Prodigy, that opens up a new dealer channel for the CI's who want to do Crestron but cannot support the full line, yet. They now have a product line that allows for PRICE POINT competition with C4 systems backed by the 40+ years of Crestron's existence. The lack of OSD or Rhapsody or (possibly) the lack of a multi controller environment with Prodigy may give the C4 dealers some points to sell against Prodigy. If so great, if not great. I personally dont care about C4. My employer sells it but I have nothing to do with that product. I deal only with our Crestron jobs. We are happy to see Prodigy coming along as it gives us another option for our (max) $50k client who cannot afford a full Crestron system. Anything above $50k is automatically moved to Crestron, even if that "lowers" perceived functionality by the lack of Rhapsody and and OSD.

Hopefully this clears up the misconception that Crestron is trying to wipe C4 off the map. This is about the Crestron motto of "Every Room Connected" and that alone.

I agree. C4 sucks!

F@ck Y@u!

Fatck Yatu?

LOL, now I have to wipe my computer clean gatorade everywhere.

not I sir, I always follow code, because if you don't you can go out of business quick...you are lible for damages if something happens and your insurance will not cover you, and I don't know about you, but most of our clients live in homes that start around 1mill...and that is quite a bit more than I make.

yes the remote is only a few lines of meta data but you can literally control anything, lights, music, tvs, thermostats etc etc


as an FYI Control4

HC200 - flash based
HC300 - flash based
HC500 - has a hard drive <~ the only all HD controller
HC1000 - flash based operating system - hard drive storage system

Plus he needs to brush up on his install skills or keep his mouth shut. to emphasise it in his own owrds "biiaatch" or somethig to that effect.

here are some examples

btw pics were taken with my blackberry so dont hate on the quality

Thanks for the clarification on the metadata. From looking at the C4 wand we have in our other showroom it looked to be two lines of text max. You stated a few lines so our system may not be programmed to its fullest. I really dont know.

I have seen the ability to control any C4 product (expected) and plenty of IR based products. We have one system in the field that is C4 and Kscape and the installers/C4 programmers have said this works but is a bit buggy at times. This could be installation/programming related or it could be C4 related, again I do not know. You mention that C4 can literally control anything and I am not questioning that but would like to know how you would go about programming a C4 processor to query a webserver for a file list, load the file list into local memory on the processor, pull the data from the file list into an array from local memory so you can reference the data for further processing? This is a serious question and not some stab at C4 or a chest thumping of Crestron is better than C4. I can, and am currently, doing this with Crestron with ease and have been asked to build the backend for C4 systems to do the same thing. Now, this will only work if the C4 panels will support pulling images from the web and allows for this kind of customization through the (coming?) Flash interface.