If that is a Denon 1803 there may not be a power toggle, at least on my 3300 on and off are separate.

Craig

Craig, ziad--

Most times guys piss and moan because they're stuck with a power toggle and they want discretes. Looking at the list above, the only missing OBC listed in a good range where on and off are is 218. The corresponding efc would be "216"; see if that's the elusive power toggle. BTW, I dopubt the original remotes have two power buttons, an on and an off, so moost likely there is a power toggle. If either of you have a learner, JP-1, and IR, you could learn the power button, and use IR to tell you the efc for it; if 216 doesn't work.
Jim

believe it or not, it does have separate buttons for on/off!!! I don't really understand that thinking...
I think I'll just learn it them and organize them in macros.

BTW, what is OBC and efc?

Cheers

As for the 1600 DVD, I used the 0490 code for the DVD device and then used 022 for ON and 026 for OFF. They both worked.

ziad,
OBC is "Original Button Code" Most times mfr's organize their functions figuring for some type of button layout. Many times they may group them by charactersistics. Surrounds; inputs; tone, balance; etc.

EFC is "Extended Fuction Code". Just a fancy word for UEIC's half-assed attempt to hide what the button code is. I think there's 4 basic schemes. There's charts developed to transpose OBC's to EFC's.
KM is structured to do it automatically, so entering either will also yield the other.

Advanced Codes is just another name for EFCs, and that's generally what we have to use when we manually enter a specific command; thus the importance in transposing a known OBC to it's corresponding efc; the remote works with EFC values

Jim

James, not sure if this is what you were hinting at in an earlier post (re: 8/24/02) in this forum, but I've put together an Excel spreadsheet that takes the input bits supplied by Denon (see Craig Henrikson's post of 8/24/02) and spits out the hex code in Pronto format.

I'm testing it today by inputing the codes for the AVR-5803 and if everything works well, I'll upload the spreadsheet sometime this week. I own the 3802 but the 5803 has all the 3802 codes and then some. Hopefully the 5803 codes that aren't listed with the 3802 will work on the 3802 as well.

I'm rather green at all of this, having just pulled my Pronto out of the box about a week ago so I'm still learning. If I'm headed in the wrong direction or completely oblivious to something please feel free to point me in the right direction.

Brian

Brian,

Actually what I was alluding to was one spreadsheet that would include 1. protocol, 2. Device code (main); device code (sub-main, if any); 3. the OBC value 4. The EFC value; and 5. The pronto hex.

Typically a conversion from pronto ccf thru ccf2efc gives the 1st four; and we as ueic users consider the rest as "fluff" which doesn't really concern us. Where the real problem lies is usually if the ccf came from a pronto pro; especially with a lot of color embellisments, fancy icons, etc. where we have to edit it first to black/white format.

Assuming any pronto user can make his own "fluff", thre only neccessary parts that could be used by both groups would be the 1-5 I showed above. Then a Denon owner could go to this spreadsheet and pull out the values he needs just for the commands, and "Fluff" to his hearts content for his particular remote. Making sense? One spreadsheet with all the possible Denon codes, what functions they would perform, and the basic data needed for each command usable by both groups.

If you read Jon's post, doing the conversions wasn't exactly a piece of cake. Perhaps an additional column listing which models use certain codes, and by exclusion wouldn't use certain others would be helpful also. I would think that the spreadsheet could be posted at both the pronto forum, here, and the files at JP-1.

I think a start at this type of endeavor has already been undertaken for Sony codes, Marantz codes, and possibly started with some yamaha codes. With the popularity of Denon equipment, a Denon spreadsheet would be equally valuable.
Jim

Brian,

You can check your spreadsheet by running John Fine's MakeHex (found in the Utilities section here at RC)that converts the true device code and function code into Pronto hex. the Protocol is NEC and the device codes are at the top. If you look at the long list that I decoded you get the following:

Device2=AUDIO_0160
OBC EFC
072 162 ZONE1 TUNER
...

So that translates to NEC:2 and OBC is the same as true function code. Other than in the OFA world ignore EFC.


-Jon

Actually, all versions of ccf2efc should give you 1 thru 5, the "fluff" that was removed from the most recent version (found in the JP1 group) is things like, the font size used for button labels, macros, jumps, etc

Rob

Rob,

True, However for us with OFA's pronto hex is also "fluff".:). and yeah, that other stuff is too. I was saying that for ueic users, the ccf2efc gives us the 4 things we'd like to have, and all the rest (for us) is "fluff". Hmmmmm, gives us what we want, plus a little "fluff"?
Jim

I have a DENON AVR 1803 (home theater receiver) from what I have seen the device codes are suppose to be 0004 or 0160 - however when I try to enter these into the one4all remote I get no response when I hit power. When I do te same procedure for another device as TV,VCR and it codes it works. Any thoughts ????

Actually, that is only true if ccf2efc has got the decode 100% right, the reason I had the pronto hex left in there is because more often than not, we need it to figure out the real codes. Plus, when either Jon or myself are decoding a protocol for the first time, we use it.

Rob

When you say "device codes" do you mean the device number inside the prototocol or do you mean the UEI setup code? My guess is that you're confusing the two.

In a post higher up this thread, Jon mentioned that VCR_0076=Device 4, which means that the setup code VCR_0076 has the internal device number 4. That makes me think your 0004 results from being confused about that device number 4 and trying it use it as a setup code. (I don't see where you got the 0160 from).

If you have a protocol name an a device number from a ccf decode, there is usually no direct way for you to translate that into a UEI setup code. If you post the model number of your UEI remote together with that protocol name and device number (it helps to also mention what ccf or other source you got the number from) one of the experts can tell you if there is a corresponding UEI setup code in your remote. (If you use a JP1 cable, you can make your own setup code).

John,
10/13 Jon said Device 2=Audio_0160
Jim

Jon Armstrong's post in this thread says that the Denon receiver is using three device codes, and he lists the UEI assignments for them: Audio_0160, VCR_0076 and Audio_0004.