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Post 31 made on Sunday February 2, 2020 at 10:17
Don Heany
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On February 2, 2020 at 09:56, gerard143 said...
Ya know the limited slip thing is interesting. I was building a 2020 and was going to add a limited slip. Then I started reading into it and articles and posts on the web were saying limited slip is worse for conditions like snow, mud, etc. Which made zero sense to me as I thought these were the situations it would help in.

So i sat there like well wtf maybe I should just go with a regular diff and skip the limited slip.

Do you have any solid real world feedback in inclement weather if that limited slip is truly better or worse?

Absolutely, from a stop in rain- pulling out is completely different. The traction is far superior. I haven’t had the chance to run it in snow yet but have had plenty of moments in the ‘16 that were scary as hell.
Post 32 made on Sunday February 2, 2020 at 10:20
Don Heany
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On February 2, 2020 at 10:03, gerard143 said...
If I had a whole fleet sure I could see the use in a transit connect. But if you only have one sole van, a transit connect is not going to cut it imho. If you are working in and out of a van all day long doing installs no questions asked I need a large van and one installers can stand up in. I need work space, I need room for racks, for several TVs, boxes of cable, tons of storage and drawers mounted on the walls. Absolutely nothing lower then a medium height roof. Every time I see another installer making a tech work out of some van you cant even stand up in I say to myself thats such a dick move.

That being said I would love to see your design thread and see how well done and what a well organized connect is capable of. If you can find that and share the link here i'd love to check it out. I didn't even know about the custom but thats a cool looking van. IDK why the US has to get the shaft with these vans compared to the Euro market.

They’re the only ones not manufactured in the US.
Post 33 made on Sunday February 2, 2020 at 10:32
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Ya... the Euro fleet is a year ahead of us in changes and revisions usually though. They get the latest and greatest then the leftovers come our way. Bummer
Post 34 made on Sunday February 2, 2020 at 11:08
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On February 2, 2020 at 10:03, gerard143 said...
If I had a whole fleet sure I could see the use in a transit connect. But if you only have one sole van, a transit connect is not going to cut it imho. If you are working in and out of a van all day long doing installs no questions asked I need a large van and one installers can stand up in. I need work space, I need room for racks, for several TVs, boxes of cable, tons of storage and drawers mounted on the walls. Absolutely nothing lower then a medium height roof. Every time I see another installer making a tech work out of some van you cant even stand up in I say to myself thats such a dick move.

That being said I would love to see your design thread and see how well done and what a well organized connect is capable of. If you can find that and share the link here i'd love to check it out. I didn't even know about the custom but thats a cool looking van. IDK why the US has to get the shaft with these vans compared to the Euro market.

Here it is: [Link: remotecentral.com]|

Pics are blurry because of photo buckets shenanigans.

I wholly disagree with that point. Maybe it’s because I’m a one man band, I have to think in shear efficiency. Most of my jobs are long multi day/month projects which means there is plenty of time to get equipment and gear there. No sense in dropping off all the gear at once. (Which makes sense if you have a crew)

I’m not sure what the future will hold in the way of 85” TVs, but I can get a 75” in the back. When I was forced to work out of my F150 I figured out JIT and drop shipping. For the most part I have it down to a science for the larger items (racks, large TVs, screens etc.

If the van is organized, you can get a BOAT load of gear in a transit. Think of access, from the outside. Nobody is bending over, and a lot of times it can be more efficient. In my new design I’m going to not have anything accessible from the inside, things will be done all from the outside, utilizing drawers and clever storage ideas.

Look, there are days i sometimes wish I had larger van, but, being small far out ways the cons. Fuel is far cheaper, it forces you to stay Lean and efficient. When you have a MASSIVE van it invites disorganization, it invites “I have space, I need to fill it” when I did the original downsize in 2013 I looked at the amount of crap I was carrying, and it didn’t make sense at ALL. When you really look at the tools you use daily, the parts you use daily, you will be amazed at how much you don’t need to carry.
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Post 35 made on Sunday February 2, 2020 at 12:45
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I'm curious if anyone has gone with the Mercedes Metris. It was what I really wanted when I bought my TC, but the deal on the TC, plus better financing and knowing what a service nightmare the Metris would be for me if it ever had a problem. But as far as size goes, I think the Metris is absolutely the perfect size.
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Post 36 made on Monday February 3, 2020 at 13:09
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I have a friend that runs a higher-end landscape lighting company, and they have Metris' for their service and sales vehicles...they love them.
Post 37 made on Monday February 3, 2020 at 14:13
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I've got a 2016 Metris. Perfect size for my needs. Drives quiet, comfortable, plenty of power (I'm a flatlander). Had one safety recall and one sensor/service issue. Otherwise trouble free. Highly recommended if the size is right for you.

On February 2, 2020 at 12:45, Old Man River said...
I'm curious if anyone has gone with the Mercedes Metris. It was what I really wanted when I bought my TC, but the deal on the TC, plus better financing and knowing what a service nightmare the Metris would be for me if it ever had a problem. But as far as size goes, I think the Metris is absolutely the perfect size.
Post 38 made on Tuesday February 4, 2020 at 12:59
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On February 2, 2020 at 11:08, 3PedalMINI said...
Here it is: [Link: remotecentral.com]
Pics are blurry because of photo buckets shenanigans.

I wholly disagree with that point. Maybe it’s because I’m a one man band, I have to think in shear efficiency. Most of my jobs are long multi day/month projects which means there is plenty of time to get equipment and gear there. No sense in dropping off all the gear at once. (Which makes sense if you have a crew)

I’m not sure what the future will hold in the way of 85” TVs, but I can get a 75” in the back. When I was forced to work out of my F150 I figured out JIT and drop shipping. For the most part I have it down to a science for the larger items (racks, large TVs, screens etc.

If the van is organized, you can get a BOAT load of gear in a transit. Think of access, from the outside. Nobody is bending over, and a lot of times it can be more efficient. In my new design I’m going to not have anything accessible from the inside, things will be done all from the outside, utilizing drawers and clever storage ideas.

Look, there are days i sometimes wish I had larger van, but, being small far out ways the cons. Fuel is far cheaper, it forces you to stay Lean and efficient. When you have a MASSIVE van it invites disorganization, it invites “I have space, I need to fill it” when I did the original downsize in 2013 I looked at the amount of crap I was carrying, and it didn’t make sense at ALL. When you really look at the tools you use daily, the parts you use daily, you will be amazed at how much you don’t need to carry.

I am in agreement with Gerard.

For a service truck that only needs minimum materials the connect works. If this is your everyday service and install truck there is no space to fit everything you need. For us (a company that does a lot of one/two day installs and prewires) these trucks are not big enough for the boxes of wire, tools and ladders. Albeit we have shelving on both sides and have contemplated of removing the one side of shelves, still doesn't increase the cargo space enough to make it any easier to work out of. We try and do everything possible to utilize space by using totes for prewire materials (Screws boxes, LV brackets, CVAC) but they still don't help. Trying to utilize two ladders is almost impossible. You can't fit a 6' ladder in the back without angling it so it either has to go on the roof (eliminates having a larger 8-10' ladder or angle it which takes up necessary space. On a retrofit job the rear isn't long enough to house fish stick so we need to angle them to get them in.

As for fuel I don't see it being any better/worse than a full sized van. We have two crews going to the same site for a week, one in the connect the other in a Ford E-250. Both trucks could be filled up Monday Morning and the Connect would need Fuel on Wednesday and Friday where the E-250 may need to fill up Thursday, Friday at worst. The cost is typically $40-$50 to fill up the Connect and $90-100 for the E-250 so I don't see the fuel benefit (we are in Canada please don't question our gas prices). The Connect is more of a hinder since I am needing to get fuel twice as often. I don't know the Tank sizes but would think that the E-250 is about double to connect.
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Post 39 made on Tuesday February 4, 2020 at 18:09
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When considering a vehicle, i have never in my life EVER had MPG even be part of the equation. Means so little, its NEVER a determining factor, if a factor at all. Then again, Ive always had trucks so used to shiatty mileage? Maybe thats why lol.
Post 40 made on Tuesday February 4, 2020 at 20:34
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I have a 2014 transit connect with 135,000 miles. This vehicle has been extreamly reliable. I have been planning on getting the full size Transit med high van for years... My colleague has the Promaster. That Promaster is a foot wider than the Transit. I just like the ford better. The problem for me in S. Fl. is condo's. I can park that tiny connect in the garage. That won't be the case when I upgrade. I will say that there is not enough room to use the connect efficiently . I can't wait to get a van that I can almost stand up in...I am 6' tall.. I do not want the super high Transit...
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