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AV3100 and X-10
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Post 1 made on Tuesday October 26, 2004 at 16:09
edjohnson
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Hi. I read a bunch of posts regarding the RM-AV3000 and the X-10 system but still have a question. I have the RM-AV3100 (not the 3000) and am not able to program the x-10 codes into my remote. I called Sony and they said I was SOL because the learning didn't work and neither did the 2005 code.

I tried using the 2005 code and that didn't work. I also tried using the learn function with the X-10 universal remote I use. That didn't work either.

I programmed the Sony to accept the signal from all my other remotes. The LED's on them seem to stay lit for as long as I held down a button. Usually it would take a full second (or 1.5) for the signal to be sent enough to be received by the 3100. I would hold down the button and then 1.5 seconds later, I would hear the beep and stop. It would work without fail. However, with the X-10 universal remote I have, I hold down each button and the LED blinks once. So it looks like it isn't on long enough for the 3100 to learn it.

I read somewhere on the forums that the AV3000 requires another piece to be purchased, perhaps the IR543 or something. Do AV3100 users also have to buy such a unit? I got a similar one from Radio Shack but it didn't help. It did, however, work to turn on *some* of my lights sometimes.

I never have any problem with my x-10 units and the IR remote I use works through walls with the smallest of problems.

Can someone let me know what I'm doing wrong?

I'd appreciate any help.
Post 2 made on Tuesday October 26, 2004 at 17:40
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The only way your av3100 will work with X10 is with the use of the IR543. You're currently using a x10 remote to control a RF transceiver via RF signals from the x10 remote. The similar looking white console you bought from RS, doesn't accept IR signals, like the IR543 does. Once you get the IR543, code 2005 on the av3100 will work, if you need a commands, that x10 remote can probably be switched from RF to IR.
OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday October 26, 2004 at 21:17
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Hey thanks for your reply.

Is it possible to get the IR543 from somewhere other than RS or x1-.com? If not, i'll just place my order. Do I need to have it plugged in all the time or is it something I use to program the unit and then keep in a closet afterwards?

On 10/26/04 21:40 ET, edmund said...
if you need a commands, that x10 remote can probably
be switched from RF to IR.

Do you know how I would do this? I think it is the universal remote that most people use. It is the 6-way x-10 universal.
Post 4 made on Tuesday October 26, 2004 at 22:17
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As long as you are using a IR only remote, like the av3100, you will need the IR543. The Robman as some links to purchase the IR543 on his Home page. To switch the x10 remote to IR try this:

1. press and hold SET UP
2. press X10 key
3. enter 0-1-4
OP | Post 5 made on Thursday October 28, 2004 at 23:32
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On 10/27/04 02:17 ET, edmund said...
To switch the x10 remote to IR try this:
1. press and hold SET UP
2. press X10 key
3. enter 0-1-4

Why do I need to switch my X-10 remote to IR ? Is it so I can program the 3100? I thought getting the IR543 meant that I didn't need to do it. Sorry, but I think I confused myself.

What's the drawback to switching the X-10 remote to IR?

Again, thanks for the advice.
Post 6 made on Friday October 29, 2004 at 00:14
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Some think the dimming controls are too slow on the av3000, I haven't heard about av3100, learning it from another remote usually cures it.

The only drawback is changing back to RF, after you switch back, you need to enter the housecode. To change from IR to RF:

1. press and hold SET UP
2. press X10
3. enter 0-1-3

If you're using A house code, you don't have to do anything, but for B through L, you need to enter it. B is 2, through L is 12. So if you're say using K:

1. press x10
2. press and hold SET UP
3. enter 1-1
OP | Post 7 made on Thursday November 4, 2004 at 15:04
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I think I understand now. The 3100 is IR-only and the X-10 remote can be switched back and forth. The X-10 should be in IR mode when used to program the 3100 and should be in RF mode when used normally. Only remotes in RF mode can be pointed anywhere and still control the X-10 devices. Therefore, regardless of whether I am using the x-10 remote in the IR mode or the 3100, the remote has to be pointed directly at the IR543.

1) Is this right? If so, it kinda sucks because the x-10 has more functionality with the original, ugly remote than with the expensive 3100 because the 3100 requires the user to be in line-of-sight.

2) Is there a work-around such that a user could control the x-10 devices other than by line-of-sight ?
Post 8 made on Thursday November 4, 2004 at 15:10
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1. correct.

2. No.
OP | Post 9 made on Saturday November 6, 2004 at 23:26
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I agree with those people who think that the 3100 dims too slowly. I understand that people convert their x-10 remotes to IR (as you described above) to let the 3100 learn the dim function from the X-10 remote. I tried to do that by:

1. Changing the X-10 to IR. On the X-10 remote
a. Press and hold setup
b. Press x-10 button
c. release setup and x-10
d. press 0
e. press 1
f. press 4
2. Learn dim. On the 3100
a. Press and hold commander off and muting
b. release both
c. choose learn
d. Choose the function for lighting (I use the CD component)
e. Choose and Press a key ( I tried vol -)
f. Beep
g. Aim the x-10 at the 3100 and press dim on x-10 remote
h. Beep
i. Repeat for Vol + and Brighten
j. Press commander off and test

I tried this and the led on the IR543 doesn't register when i hit dim or brighten. It does register when i choose the x-10 device (like when I press 2 on the 3100, for device 2) or when I press off on the 3100.

Therefore, it doesn't seem to learn the function I just taught it. Incidentally, the LED on the x-10 remote doesn't stay on during the teach, it just goes on and off. However, before (in RF mode, I presume), the 3100 wouldn't learn from the x-10 remote. It would just time out and display NG. It doesn't do that in IR mode but apparently, it didn't learn either.

Ideas?
Post 10 made on Saturday November 6, 2004 at 23:47
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Could there be a punch-through on the av3100 superseding the taught commands? The x10 remote, after changing to IR, does it get a reaction from the IR543 at all? Any keys? Make sure you have Rf transceiver unplugged, just so you'll know if a light dims, its via IR and not RF.

What is the exact model # of the X10 remote? You might have one of the funky x10 remotes like I have. I have 3 UR19a, payed $1 each off of ebay. The ur19a is a very old remote, but mine has codes for DVd's & tivos and such. Which it shouldn't. And instead of code 014 for IR and 013 for RF. It uses 810-IR, 811-RF. I can't find a matching codelist anywhere. The codes I know about, I had to have them blinked back or wouldn't have known what they were.
OP | Post 11 made on Sunday November 7, 2004 at 03:09
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On 11/07/04 04:47 ET, edmund said...
Could there be a punch-through on the av3100 superseding
the taught commands?

I have no idea.

The x10 remote, after changing | to IR, does it get a reaction from the IR543 at all?

No. I try with the 3100 and the IR LED blinks but not with the x-10 with the transceiver unplugged.

Any keys?

No, not from the x-10 with the transceiver unplugged. I assume this means the remote is still on RF mode.

Make sure you have Rf transceiver unplugged, just so you'll know if a light dims,| its via IR and not RF.

The X-10 remote I have has no functionality when the transceiver is unplugged.


What is the exact model # of the X10 remote?

I'm not sure about the model number but it is a PowerHouse 6-in-1 remote. It has component buttons for TV, VCR, CBL, Aux1, Aux2, and Sat. It also has a component button for X-10 (so that's seven components).

You might have one of the funky x10 remotes like I
have. I have 3 UR19a, payed $1 each off of ebay.
The ur19a is a very old remote, but mine has codes
for DVd's & tivos and such. Which it shouldn't.
And instead of code 014 for IR and 013 for RF.
It uses 810-IR, 811-RF. I can't find a matching
codelist anywhere. The codes I know about, I had
to have them blinked back or wouldn't have known
what they were.
OP | Post 12 made on Wednesday November 10, 2004 at 08:32
edjohnson
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Edmund,

Any ideas?
Post 13 made on Saturday April 29, 2006 at 19:09
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I have IR remote model UR19a. I did what you said SETUP+x10+114 and now my remote will not work w/anything. Is there a reset button. I also tried code 113, 810, 811. no go.

Thanks in advance for any help!


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