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Direct TV remote won't operate Yamaha AV Receiver
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Post 61 made on Sunday September 22, 2013 at 08:06
Jeff53404
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I moved from Time Warner Cable to Directv and when I used TWC's remote, I was able to control the Yamaha receiver (on/off, volume and mute). I can't help but wonder how much of the issue is due to Directv.
Post 62 made on Monday September 23, 2013 at 12:59
Ernie Gilman
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Yamaha's idea is to supply their receivers with what custom installation companies require: the ability to respond to one command for turning on and a different command for turning off. These are called discrete commands, meaning that they always and only do one thing: either On or Off. That said, there is also a command that will switch between the two; that is, if the Yamaha is on, this command will turn it off; if the Yamaha is off, this command will turn it on. This is called a toggle command as the state of the receiver toggles back and forth with that one command.

What I think edmund is saying is that Yamahas now respond to a toggle command for their current crop of receivers but that the particular command they respond to is not in the DirecTV remotes.

Do we call this Yamaha's fault for not using an older toggle command that is in the DirecTV remote, or DirecTV's fault for not including the latest commands in their remotes? It completely does not matter: regardless of the cause, it won't work.

Think about it, though: Blu-ray commands are not the same as DVD commands, but modern DirecTV remotes can control Blu-rays, while older ones could not. DirecTV added some new commands to their remotes to make this happen, so DirecTV responded to the existence of new commands. They did not do so with the newer Yamaha toggle command. (By the way, the toggle command is not actually on most Yamaha remotes, but it exists and remote control programmers know how to find it or derive it.)

Again, all that being said, DirecTV remotes have ON and OFF buttons at the top right. The remotes store discrete On and Off commands for most televisions. Why didn't DirecTV also include discrete commands for AV receivers? Answer: you and I cannot make things be different, so it doesn't matter why. They just didn't. The codes they include turn the Yamaha On, but not Off. That's how it is.
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Post 63 made on Tuesday September 24, 2013 at 16:28
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The directv remote going forward is the RC71, which doesn't control the power of ANY audio device, just volume.
Post 64 made on Monday September 30, 2013 at 00:59
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edmund,
are you saying that models such as my HR24 will start to have only the RC71? Or its DVR, non-whole-house replacement, too?
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Post 65 made on Monday September 30, 2013 at 12:23
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No, the hr24 will be replaced, the next model will come with the rc71 or similar model of remote, its the directv remote design of the future going forward.
Post 66 made on Tuesday October 1, 2013 at 16:18
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Hopefully I am replying to this thread accordingly as I am a newb and don't beleive I can start a new thread. I have an issue with the RC71 Genie remote only wanting to mute my receiver -20db instead of a full mute. I have a HR44-700 directv genie and a Yamaha RX-V661 Receiver. I have gone through the yamaha menu and changed the mute type to full mute but the directv remote always seems to turn it back somehow. Also, I don't know if this is helpful but, the mute button the the RC71 only turns the mute on not off. To "unmute" I have to volume up. Thanks for your help everyone!
Post 67 made on Thursday October 3, 2013 at 02:42
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If you can post, you can start a new thread.

If you post in an existing thread, it's likely that the people who will look at your post will be only those interested in the existing thread's topic. If you start a new thread, you can construct the thread title to snag the greatest amount of responses -- be clear and concise.

Now I'll read your post....

On October 1, 2013 at 16:18, tdk86 said...
Hopefully I am replying to this thread accordingly as I am a newb and don't beleive I can start a new thread.

Covered.

I have an issue with the RC71 Genie remote only wanting to mute my receiver -20db instead of a full mute.

Wait a minute. When I first read this, I thought your issue was that you wanted to lower it by 20 dB but the remote wanted to lower it all the way. Reading it again, it seems the remote only lowers the signal by 20 dB.

A bit of terminology -- a reduction of 20 dB is a -20 dB change. That is, the minus sign indicates reduction. Therefore a reduction of -20 dB is actually an increase, since a reduction of a reduction is an increase. Write -20 dB or write reduction of 20 dB. don't use both terms.

I have a HR44-700 directv genie and a Yamaha RX-V661 Receiver. I have gone through the yamaha menu and changed the mute type to full mute but the directv remote always seems to turn it back somehow. Also, I don't know if this is helpful but, the mute button the the RC71 only turns the mute on not off. To "unmute" I have to volume up. Thanks for your help everyone!

Dude, didn't you notice? This is a SEVEN YEAR OLD THREAD titled "DirecTV remote won't operate Yamaha AV Receiver." Your problem expands on this theme.

If I understand your problem, maybe you'll get full mute by using a different code to program the remote.
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Post 68 made on Monday October 7, 2013 at 21:08
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The RC71 remote is programmed through the directv genie software. I just entered the Yamaha receiver model number and it did the code automatically and said it was successful. What would the manual codes be for that yamaha receiver?
Post 69 made on Monday October 14, 2013 at 20:49
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Sorry to annoy you Ernie but I still couldn't see where to start a new thread. Does anyone know what the codes for a Yamaha RX-V661 Receiver would be that would work with the RC71? Thanks.
Post 70 made on Saturday October 26, 2013 at 16:01
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I finally did a bit more work with the RC71 at a customer's house. The Genie contained the codes and following instructions on the screen got us the control we wanted, which, remember, per edmund and true, is only volume. The RC71 cannot control anything else on any AV Receiver; it must be programmed with the Genie; and it must be programmed to operate a TV before it will accept programming for an AV Receiver.

That last point has always felt weird to me as I often install systems using a TV only as a monitor, with an integrated remote that does the TV turning on and off. However, that's how DirecTV designed their remote control system. Program a TV into it, any old TV, only then can you program an audio piece.
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Post 71 made on Saturday October 26, 2013 at 17:10
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The rc71 remote is completely different type of remote then previous directv remotes. On previous directv remotes had preprogrammed codes in a permanent memory. Later x series remotes had the preprogrammed library and also were able to be programmed with upgraded codes not previously in the remotes memory. One reset and the upgraded codes were erased.

The rc71 relies on the upgraded codes a lot, there are NO av receiver codes preprogrammed into rc71, and very few tv codes. It heavy relies on the receiver to put the right code into eeprom or whatever memory it has. And at this time the only receiver to communicate these upgraded codes to rc71 is the HR44 Genie. And only in RF mode. Since the upgraded codes are only in the on-screen menu of the HR44, a receiver I do not have, there's no point asking for codes you can't manually enter into remote anyways. Just allow the hr44 to program the remote for you. If you don't have hr44? The rc71 remote is useless to you.

Last edited by edmund on October 26, 2013 17:32.
Post 72 made on Saturday November 23, 2013 at 19:04
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I joined to specifically thank "edmund." You have to program a code for the TV first! Like "edmund" has said, probably any code will work but I used a code for my Samsung. After programming the DirecTV remote for the TV, I went ahead for my receiver and it work!! Thank you again...
Post 73 made on Sunday December 1, 2013 at 16:58
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I've made a huge mistake. Here's the setup. I have a Yamaha RX-V471 and a DirectTV RC65x. For years my remote WAS able to power toggle. I could turn my receiver both on and off using the PWR button.

A few days ago, I got greedy. I decided to see if another code would allow me to change the AV input. This was stupid. Now, I can't find any code that will allow me to go back to power toggle and I'm stuck with this "only on" or "only off" situation.

What drives me nuts is that I am absolutely certain that my D* remote did power on AND off my Yamaha RX-V471. I've gone through all the yamaha codes and whatever old code I had doesn't seem to be there anymore.

Edmund or Ernie... Please help!
Post 74 made on Sunday December 1, 2013 at 17:16
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it toggle on & off using the middle PWR key? Or did come on with tv, than off using the middle PWR key? Or on with middle PWR, and than off with the tv?
Post 75 made on Sunday December 1, 2013 at 17:27
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Yes. I could power toggle my Yamaha RX-V471 using the PWR key on the DirecTV remote. The yamaha is controlled through AV1 right now. So I used to press the "on" button on the top right to turn TV and DVR on, then slide to AV1, press PWR and things were all good. Then when finished, pressed the "off" on the top right to turn TV and DVR off, then slide to AV1 and press PWR to turn the yamaha off.

Now, I've lost the lost the ability to power toggle with the PWR button in AV1 mode. I can only power on OR off (depending on what code I have..one or two will work for on and one or two will work for off).

Thanks for your help!
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