1. Your post has an NDBEER type ring to it (those who've been her for a while will get that). You aren't our long lost buddy NDBEER going by a different name, are you?

2. I don't think that was photo shopped. Sorry to disappoint. But you should be able to tell that yourself, shouldn't you, Mr. High Tech?

Most Crestron/AMX systems use IR only for the cable boxes (or other devices lacking any other method of control) and then only as a last resort. I am assuming by your post that C4 has a new way to control a cable box (or other IR only device) other than IR??? What is the part number for this new interface device?

What about 232/485? Does C4 have a new way to make a two-way control port appear on a device that doesn't have one? That would be cool, and a feature I would use a lot......

I am also curious what additional level of control C4 offers that cannot be done with a properly programmed Crestron/AMX system? Can it read your mind? Because thus far, that has been the only thing we haven't been able to do with these control systems.

I took the opportunity to look over the C4 forum and it's very nicely done and seems to have a bunch of people who have committed themselves very deeply to the product, but I sat in amazement at a couple of post from folks who have or are in the process of betting the farm with C4 on huge projects as it still appears to be something of a work in progress.

I'm all for technology and innovation, but my gosh, whatever happened to walking before you run? Their product may wind up being the beat-all, end-all, but what if it isnt? Do you have a backup plan if the 100 proprietary dimmers fail, or you're finding yourself spending two hours week servicing the system? If you're a small business, a few major hangups on a 100K job could potentially be enough to put you under or at the minimum have you working for free for a year or three to recoop your losses.

On top of that, you're committing to a company who is allegedly already in Circuit City, strongly rumored to be in select Costcos, has never denied (that I'm aware of), its desire to sell to box movers, and has relatively unproven products.

Just be carefull and not so naive

I accept that challenge

Nice of you to find us malcontents.


Experienced yet you claim your Crestron and AMX clients need constant attention. What do your privates have to do with providing your customers with the correct wire (Cresnet instead of cheap CAT5) Do your clients have the right number of power supplies?


Funio how these manufacturers have handy excuses at CES and EHX.


Are you done yet?


Apparently not.

I have two homes. Crestron wanted me to have a dedicated and separate PAC2 processor for my dimmer cabinets in both houses, I obliged. None of these are simple systems with DAP8s, PAD8s, TFMs, Imerges, Escients, Jandy spa controllers, CADDX panels.

I believe I am qualified to ascern your competence with four networks of my own plus all the systems my friends and neighbors now own. Then there is the matter of close to 50 teleconference systems at my workplace around the world that have simplified their UI down to a single TPS3000 sitting in an otherwise empty room.

I'm not having any problems. Neither are they.


Crestron celebrated its 35th anniversary recently. Their dedicated slide projector controllers *still* show up on Ebay 20 years after the world stopped caring.

There isn't a reason in this universe for me to believe you are having this much trouble if you are competent enough not to cut corners on an install.

I either still have every piece of Crestron gear I ever bought down to the VT3000s that predate VTPRO, the CNRACK, several CT1500s (nice to have a panel in the garage and by the hot tub) 1600, 3000, VT3500s and I know my old PAD8 is still in use. My god, my favorite controller for hacking a wireles fan speed controls to is.... a CNSC1A. What year did they stop making slide projectors? '94, '95?

Whatever my weakest link is, it isn't wireles and it isn't a network hub from WalMart.

But, after your defense of the C4 media controller with that monster 200watt PC power supply sticking out the back with the inevitable cooling fan, I'm really curious what you consider "reliable".

Seriously, you're in over your head.

This was your post from another site on 12-11-05. Now I am not as smart as you so this is tough for me to figure out. How did you become the expert you are in a month?
Thats pretty good.

excert from AV*for%m on 12-11-05:

"Basically, I just want to start C4 in my house for lighting only. I want to buy the Home Theater Controller (cause it's cheap), a 6-button keypad and 8 dimmers. Will that system work without additional ethernet cables around the house? Can the Home Theater Controller work independantly as a ZigBee controller? I only have a wireless network in my house (cable modem w/ Airport Express). How would the Home Theater Controller connect with this -- would I need to get a hardwired switch for it?

thanks, dejaposter"

I find that humorous.

Busted. What a dink.

When your dealing with C-4, isn't an explosion the primary goal? ;-)

Maybe he enrolled in that new online CI degree program. Get your degree in 3 weeks! Haven't you guys heard about it? :-)

Oh yeah, FT's pic of the touchscreen in the pisser is NOT Photoshopped. Download the actual image and you would be able to dig down through the layers and modifications. I'm sure they taught him how to do this in his online courses.

Why do people show up here and get all pissed off yelling and screaming and talking trash? There was one last week in the Home Theater forum and thankfully Daniel deleted it.

Why can't we all just have some fun and learn something from each other instead of rampaging over stupid shit?

I am with you ATOH, I don't come here to flame anyone although I have to admit if nobody else flamed dejaposter I definately would have. Not because he likes C4 because who cares but because he took the time to put down everything else. Oh and by the way guys..nice job putting him in his place! He is right about the IP control though but thats really nothing new anyway!

Nice one FT.

So Deja, how did that airport ever work out for ya? LMAO! ( if you don't know, C4 is open about not supporting Airport wireless networks. I know this because I was actually a dealer - not some joker buying from a transshipper on AVS forum).

I find it funny that the dumbest online people are always the ones spouting off about how smart they are. I mean, how hard would it have been to at least invent a new id name so that you weren't busted with only about 2 minutes worth of work.

I mean if you guys were able to trace back my true identity, you'd find me to be a 7 year old punk kid who likes to play PS2 racing games and pick my nose and of course look at all the free internet porn.

Oooops.

Damn, I thought I was the only one! :-}

wow, cool people in this forum. i especially like the guy that was so challenged by my post that he went a'googling to find my screenname in other forums...

I learned C4 in two months time, actually. The product has been shipping for 4/5 months. The Hitler comment (?), a NON photoshopped image and the very impressive Crestron talk aside, I have yet to see anyone here disagree with my main hypothosis that IP technology is the future of home control.

Is the tude because you guys are discovering you're behind the times, or is it because you think C4 (the company) will fail? either way, it has little to do with me except that I beleive it's the first of a new breed of systems. i figure you either get in it, or plan on getting out of it.

if you think i'm wrong, that you should feel good about yourself.

Dude, you're a freakin' dope. Your main point was never that IP technology is the future. It was always that


If you weren't such a dope you could hang out here and do a search for IP and see that most of us have been touting IP as the future for a long time before C4 ever shipped a product.

A lot of us here are/were C4 dealers and Crestron dealers with LOTS more experience than you have. Maybe thats why you got blasted? Or it could just be because you're a dope?