Agreed.

And that C4 is better than Crestron? Come on man. The C4 environment is more confined then the Crestron environment.

The stability of the system is in the programming skills and knowledge of the programmer. If you have unstable Crestron systems then maybe you or your programmer need to go back to training or something. I bet Alan could make your Crestron systems nice and stable so you wouldn't have to go there ever again.

It's hard for me to believe that you've programmed and installed Crestron for years when the post on AVS looks like an end user post...

I didn't have to google your screen name, I was reading when you were posting those dumba$$ comments. I didn't JUST realize your an idiot. I knew it 2 months ago when you started posting on AV$.

I was poking a little fun at cytexone, but AVDesignPro and the others are right. The flame has really not much to do with C4 but more to do with having some fun at your expense.

Moe, You won that Cockfight Hands off! dejaposter, I can't believe you're back. Must be you have conquered the IP world in Home control or did you come back to get one of your enormous nuts stepped on?
Go on now, get over to the bank for that Home equity loan to get all the control4 you can into that boat you're sailing.

I do have to agree with one thing that dejaretard said. That is that IP is the way of the future. With that I have a question. How many third party devices can C4 control via IP? Crestron has TCP/IP and UDP functionality and can control any IP device with a published protocol. In fact, I have written applications in .NET to control several different media applications and have used really cool Macromedia Flash interfaces for Crestron. You can also use things like an Audio Request server or DPI projector with Crestron over ethernet. You are a retard and if you don't know the facts quit blowing smoke.

We did a Control-4 system at a clients house and had to tear it out because it didn't work. I have lost more money on Control-4 than you have spent on it total!

I am not a Crestron guy or AMX, but I am trying to raise the bar from IR/Rf only. From my limited point of view, the C4 stuff does look pretty intriguing & they put on one hell of a dog & pony show at CES. I almost exclusively do retro work & I sure liked the C4 pitch. Soooo... what would yall recommend as an alternative to it, 'cause I have to admit I am considering throwin' down the $5k to join up! I have read alot of the threads in the past few months about C4 which is certainly making me walk slowly towards the jump off point. I had mentioned a couple of months ago that a buddy of mine gave me a rack full of Crestron stuff, extron something, etc. that came out of a a board room system & asked where I would begin to learn it & was fairly discouraged by the responses that it would take years of learning to get competent. Erik

I always love it when guys like dejaposter are revealed as complete fakes and frauds and pathalogical liars and they don't skip a beat. That's always the sign of a pathalogical liar - their MO is to jusy keep lying and not back down. Sort of like OJ offering a reward for the killer of Nicole Simpson - liars love to bluff and attack

This is classic:


So he gets caught red handed and instead of slinking away in shame that's how he responds. It was obvious from his first post he was not an AMX and Crestron programmer as he claimed to be.

[Link: phule.net]

First things first, I want to state that I am *new* to this forum (as glaringly obvious by my low-post-count), and if you can put that aside, I would appreciate it. With that said, I would like to throw out a few thoughts & and reasons why I put the "advertisement" on this great resource (remotecentral.com)

-This was by no means an attempt to start a flame-war, only to inform those who would like to discuss progressions of the Control4 industry, as well as discuss and share Control4 information.

-Control4 *is* a new product, and *does* have its share of problems. On the flip side, there are a ton (in our opinion) of reasons why one should try/use the equipment, and discuss how to better it...because it has potential to be great. I am sure that Crestron and AMX had their share of problems when starting out as well. Having a place to discuss problems/solutions makes the product better...faster.

-We created c4forums.com because Control4-related intelligent conversations needed an official place to be discussed and shared. The dealer's forum lacked many features (file sharing, RSS feeds, amongst other desired features) and we wanted to enable these features and listen to the community's needs for others. If you read through some of the threads in "General Discussion", you will see our commitment to improving the community forum. Additionally, alot of Control4 users haven't a dedicated place to go, and this is an attempt to solve that problem.

A place for encouraged Control4 growth is necessary. No technology when initially released is perfect. We encourage those who would like to grow a maturing product into a reliable, valuable, & inexpensive platform to share and discuss.

These are some of the reasons why we created www.c4forums.com.

Thank you for reading.

-aslezak
www.c4forums.com

-aslezak,

You're forums look really nice and welcome to RC as well. It is a tough croud here at times.

He's a classy guy from the tone of his posts. Stays above the stuff others are flinging. Best of luck to you sir.

That is priceless. Fits like a shoe & I'm still laughing.

I was a psych major back during the dust bowl, so I haven't read a paper like this in *years*, but it sums up exactly what I remember. Psychology is all about confirming common sense with pages & pages of jargon and studies.

They have totally nailed one of my pet theories here... "Too stupid to know he's stupid."

The hard part is figuring out if *I* fit this category, since by definition I may be *unaware* that *I'm* an idiot.

And No, I'm not asking for opinions.

Barry

"challenged'? With the Google toolbar, Challenged just doesn't seem like the right word. "Busted" fits.


You must be slow. It shouldn't have taken you more than two days to master a drag-n-drool programming system unless you flunked Pronto school.

Control4 is touting their featureless "feature" as a differentiator as they try to break into this market. The problem is I'm not seeing a cost-benefit from a McAutomation system from C4.


Never mind incompetent, you are oblivious to the fact Cresnet and AMXLINK is another name for RS-485, a network technology designed to link entire manufacturing floors together.

IP need not apply. IP and wireless are born with a complexity requirement that will forever be a drag on your cost, software debugging, and succeptibility to hacking.

As long as Microsoft is running on hardware hooked to the internet, something WILL Crop Up and knock your little IP-based world on its ass.

Crestron gives us the courage to hide dimmer cabinets in dark places to wipe all that multi-switch confusing crap off our walls. With the control system and network as your only method of control, only drunk people would trust their lighting to an IP-based interface to the dimmers.

Which is exactly why C4 features only wall switch replacements. Manual override conveniently located where it is readily accessible in case your system fails.

Nice.

Instead of a single button pad with lighting presets, your clients are still stuck with ten C4 light switches.

A simple Crestron keypad makes a Realtor swoon almost as hard as a SubZero. Not only is it reliable and convenient, I've started a trend amongst my peers.


Not really. With your fugly nuvo round GUI (what is that about?), its not a big motivator to throw down "I want a GUI that looks like everyone else's" cash in the custom home market.


I suspect you are between crack buys and I do feel good about myself.

Barry, I'm with you all the way. That is a fun articale, is it not? And you are so right, psychology can be fascinating, but it can also be humorous how what is just good common sense and insight into human nature can be couched in such jargon. I think the author of that article goes a little too far in trying to make the conclusions fit his theory. But it is still a great read. I love the story about the robber who uses "the juice".

Anyhow, my favorite thing about that article is that unlike in this instance, I often just drop it into the middle of a thread where there are a bunch of people arguing with some obnoxious moron, and the moron never even gets the fact that it is about him and most of the other people do. The irony is often beautiful.

And of course the other fun part is that all of us ALWAYS think that article applies "to the other guy".

cytexone, I do apologize for the free poop offer. The original title and tone of your first post was classic spammer style.
Good luck with the new site and I will keep looking at C4, not so much at the product or what it does, but How the company handles the problems. I am seeing some trends already.
QQQ, I love this line "Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it." Ohh so true.