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WTF is the problem with URC's database?
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Post 61 made on Thursday January 26, 2017 at 13:31
Ernie Gilman
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On January 25, 2017 at 10:51, tomciara said...
You obviously don't know about UCPs

Nope, I don't. What are they?

On January 25, 2017 at 02:12, tomciara said...
The day you decide that not every electronic problem can be answered is the day your sanity returns.

Somehow you think I have not already decided that. The flaw in your logic is that after I made that decision, you were not able to see that I had made it, since the proof of the decision is lack of answers in some places. If it's simply not possible for you to see the outcome of the decision, it's not possible for you to state that the decision has not been made.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 62 made on Friday January 27, 2017 at 11:10
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I'm hoping someone might enlighten me as to where I can see the model numbers in CCP that were discussed earlier in this thread. I'm only familiar with seeing the number of the device in the database which, as was pointed out, typically covers more than one device. I don't ever remember seeing the original model number I selected nor the first model to use the code I selected. I've looked in the IR database navigator tab but I don't see any model number. Am I missing it there or is it somewhere else?

When I look at the top of the IR database tab, I see the very first model in the database (audio, ADC, ADC 1, which is code 007) or, if I've made changes during the current session, I always see the model number of the device from which codes were last selected. Once the software is restarted, the information goes back to the first ADC device.
Post 63 made on Friday January 27, 2017 at 15:57
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You happened to pick a brand that's not well represented in the database, or that only has a couple of actual products.

Try the same thing with Yamaha. You'll see
ATS-1010 (FSR60)
AVS700
AX-1
AX-10
AX-380
AX-397
etc. etc. for probably a thousand lines, i.e. a thousand models.

I just went to RX-V795; the Setup Number was 205. I don't remember the steps that would get me back to seeing the number 205 with whatever model the database first lists... see what you find.
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Post 64 made on Saturday January 28, 2017 at 11:12
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Either I'm confused or my copy of CCP is acting differently. I only named ADC because it's the very first item in the database (speaking alphabetically). It's the first category (audio), first brand (ADC) and first model (ADC 1). I don't actually have this piece of equipment. My four primary pieces of equipment are as follows:

TV-LG OLED 65E6P (code 748 but using code 666, need to update)
A/V Receiver-Yamaha RX-A1050 (code 1660)
Disc Player-Oppo UDP-203 (code 341 intended for BDP-103, UDP-203 not yet in database)
DVR-Dish Hopper w/sling (code 122)

From what I was reading earlier in the thread, I thought I should be able to see the model numbers I selected somewhere in the software. I only see the codes I selected in the macro window when I select a particular button in the simulator window. I don't see any reference to the model number.

Seeing the specific model number originally selected might(?) be helpful. For instance, my TV is relatively new and when I added it to my configuration file this specific model didn't exist in the database. Since then the OLEDE6P had been added to the database with a different code than I originally used. I know the code but have no idea what model I originally selected to get that code. This probably isn't important, but from what I read earlier in the thread, I was under the impression the model numbers used were displayed somewhere. Maybe I misinterpreted what I read?
Post 65 made on Saturday January 28, 2017 at 14:42
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I commented on ADC because that's what you happened to choose, no other reason.

I also think after you've selected a model number you should be able to see it somewhere. Instead you can only see the.... the number of the group of commands you've chosen.

At this point, it's not all that important IF... big IF... if, next time I want to try out some codes, I can open that code assignment window; choose, for instance, "Audio" and then highlight Yamaha, again, for instance... and type into the "Enter Setup Number" window the code number that I got from looking at commands elsewhere in my file. That way I would not have to remember the particular model I originally chose. I could just write down the Setup Number.

However, computers should simplify or automate complicated things. If I have to keep a memo book to tell me which Setup Numbers I used in previous files, because the software won't reveal the model number to me, then that software has a crap non-feature.

And, like bobli, I still haven't seen the model number after choosing a Setup Number. Somehow goldenzrule can see it and the rest of us can't. How odd.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 66 made on Sunday January 29, 2017 at 10:44
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So Ernie, you can't see a model number either-I thought maybe I was a bit crazy. I don't feel it's important to see it, but if it's there somewhere, I'd like to know about it. Maybe goldenzrule can enlighten us both?
Post 67 made on Sunday January 29, 2017 at 10:58
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On January 29, 2017 at 10:44, bobli said...
Maybe goldenzrule can enlighten us both?

I'll do my best. My guess is you are using MX780s only, or perhaps older remotes such as MX900s. Ernie just found out there are remotes other than the MX850, so I am sure he is using the 780 only, because any of the more advanced remotes (890, 980, 1200, haven't used a 990 yet) will show me the model number I programmed in. The MX780 is the only one that does not. It does give you the codeset number as mentioned, which is all that is really needed anyway.
Post 68 made on Sunday January 29, 2017 at 11:59
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On January 29, 2017 at 10:58, goldenzrule said...
I'll do my best. My guess is you are using MX780s only, or perhaps older remotes such as MX900s. Ernie just found out there are remotes other than the MX850, so I am sure he is using the 780 only, because any of the more advanced remotes (890, 980, 1200, haven't used a 990 yet) will show me the model number I programmed in. The MX780 is the only one that does not. It does give you the codeset number as mentioned, which is all that is really needed anyway.

My go-to is now the MX990.

Your comment about the MX850 is misdirected for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, you make yourself look petty, not being able to let go of petty personal irritations; for some reason you're irritated that I can't or won't force my more budget-oriented clients to buy new remotes when they have perfectly good working MX850s. Second, the 850 is by far the best-working remote of any brand that I've ever run into; you also seem irritated by the bare fact that they still exist!

When you say you're sure I'm using the 780 only, you show you're poor at guessing, even more poor because you're sure of your wrong guess. Yes, I've done some 780s, but maybe only one or two.

How about this: we drop the petty irritation with the way other people do business, we stop guessing what others do, and we just stick with the technical issues?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 69 made on Sunday January 29, 2017 at 12:10
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All of the above having been said, I've learned from this thread that the suite of editors that comprise CCP is not a suite of editors. "Suite" implies that it's a cohesive collection, and that they all work the same. It is instead a collection of editors of different abilities and properties. This has led to confusion in this discussion: we should have always specified which remote we were pretending to edit.

For instance, I mistakenly last looked at this problem with the MX900 editor. (I can't imagine why I had ever gone there!) Looking now at the MX990 editor, I see that when I go into Programming and IR Data, clicking on AV Receiver, the brand and a model appear. (With the MX-900, the brand did not appear at this point). And the first model in the list that uses the Setup Number is highlighted. And this is NOT the model number I chose.

Here's something that could make sense, though that's no proof that it happens: if, at this point, you know the Setup Number and you enter it, a set of commands appears in the Function window. The question is, is that actually the set of commands for that Setup Number? NOTHING is highlighted in the Model column for any kind of confirmation.

Thinking about this for a second, what would make sense when approaching the process this way, perhaps when you type in a Setup Number, all the Models that DON'T use this Setup Number should drop out of the list so you're only looking at the models that do use it. That is too much to ask, though.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 70 made on Sunday January 29, 2017 at 13:25
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On January 29, 2017 at 11:59, Ernie Gilman said...
How about this: we drop the petty irritation with the way other people do business, we stop guessing what others do, and we just stick with the technical issues?

Clueless as usual. I do not care how you do business. That is between you and your clients. My issues are solely with your conduct here on a daily basis. You are the one who does not let things go. You insist on correcting everyone, a self proclaimed grammar police, and argue opposite points just to either play devils advocate or more likely be a royal pita.

I wouod love to see one of your 990 files though if you'd be kind enough to post. I'm curious to your programming methods since switching to CCP based remotes.
Post 71 made on Monday January 30, 2017 at 11:08
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I have an MX-1200 and MSC-400 in my configuration file. It sounds like I'm not looking in the right place to see the model numbers. I see the codeset in the macro window whenever I highlight a button in the simulator window. If I select the IR Database Navigator tab, I see the possible selections where you can choose the device from which you want to access commands. If I've just started the program, the information shown here is always for the first device listed alphabetically (audio, ADC, ADC 1). If I've gone to the list and changed to another model, the information showing in the IR Database Navigator window continues to show that model until I either select another model or restart the program. If there's a place in the software where model numbers are shown, I've never seen it. I'd really appreciate it if you could educate me as to how I can.
Post 72 made on Monday January 30, 2017 at 13:58
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I did 2 990s last week and DirecTV was 50% success rate from the database and Sony would not work at all. Had to learn the codes in.

Never had a problem with the same codes on 980s.
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Post 73 made on Monday January 30, 2017 at 14:37
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WVL,
just to help us pin things down, what are the Setup Numbers of the DirecTV command set(s) that you used?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 74 made on Tuesday January 31, 2017 at 13:43
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On January 30, 2017 at 14:37, Ernie Gilman said...
WVL,
just to help us pin things down, what are the Setup Numbers of the DirecTV command set(s) that you used?

I don't remember Ernie and I don't have that computer here. HR44 on site worked flawlessly. HR24-700 would not work with any up, down, left, right, select, enter or a few other codes from the data base. I tried multiple sets and then just went back and learned them.
Sony bluray codes would not work at all. I tried many code sets.

These were the first 990s I've sold. I'm a huge fan of the 980 but really like the look and feel of the 990. I'm at a loss for what could possibly make code sets I've used with the 980 not work on a 990.

DirecTV started with set 173 (worked 50%)
Sony bdps6700 started with code set 378 (worked 0%)
I cant tell you what other sets I tried off hand.
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Post 75 made on Tuesday January 31, 2017 at 15:46
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Does DTV have different remote IDs? Maybe the one box was set to accept a different ID? Just a thought as I have no idea what is causing your issue.
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