I would be able to see the Yamaha site, but it hasn't allowed me to access it and this is the first of their AVRs I have sold.

OK, here's what has happened since I started this thread- I received an e-mail from Hank Eisengrein at URC after he read this and he forwarded the issue URC HQ and to the sales engineer (who also does the URC training) and I spoke with him on Thursday and yesterday afternoon. I e-mailed the file and they tested it on two different Yamaha AVRs- not the same model, but since they haven't changed the codes in years,....

They couldn't replicate the problems. the first things I did after un-boxing was 1) Hard Reset and 2) firmware update.

This is what I was seeing-

AM = displays RemID mismatch
Aux = goes to Phono
Net = goes to V. Aux
USB = goes to Pandora
HDMI 5 = do nothing
HDMI 6 = does nothing
HDMI 7 = goes to Tuner
Straight = Party mode on/off
Phono = view OSD

I don't care about a discrete for AM and FM- I can use the Band command.

The other problem, which is more important since I can teach the commands to the editor (but I REALLY shouldn't have to do this) is that I create my macros and the commands don't work- if the input won't switch, I'm not going to spend the rest of my life making this work.

After taking with Brett yesterday, I guess I need to look at three things as the cause- my computer or the CCP editor, the remote or the AVR. I'll be taking the remote and AVR to the distributor when I go to MX Home Pro training.

I copied this from your post-

"Looks like what you get when files are sent in by volunteers. I don't know if that's how the URC (and RTI, for that matter) databases came into being, but it sure seems so."

Sure doesn't say "they get the codes from manufacturers".

I am bother a Yamaha and URC dealer. While there are some codes missing that I easily grab from the Yamaha CI site when needed, the Yamaha codesets work fairly well. I do believe you are having some.other issue. Weird

I'd like to know why/how these oddball problems find me. I got into audio sales in early-'78 and started seeing this stuff almost immediately. I got into car audio shortly after and saw things. Bad things. I worked on boats and was trained by the people who developed the engine control programs and then, I got back into AV and in all of these areas, I would hear "Never seen/heard that before". Really? I'M the only one?

It's like the comedian who asked "Anyone call those sex lines?" After no responses, he says "Right- it's a two billion dollar a year industry and I'm their only customer".

That happens to all of us. There is always something that happens that other don't see. The easiest thing I would suggest to test is to try on another computer if you have one and see if the codes work normally. If it does, maybe remove CCP and start fresh and your normal programming computer?

The problem with the URC database is that way it is organized into arbitrary categories that haven't been updated to reflect modern devices and also the fact that they try to have every model number in existence for a given product even if the codes are duplicated 100x over.

I am a huge fan of the the ProControl database. Need codes for a Sony TV? Type "son" and it pops up with "Sony TV - All models". I have never had a code not work and I don't need to sort through 100+ different models to find one that works.

Using the "discrete" options in the URC database helps a little but when you need other commands you have to go hunting.

What code numbers are these?

Are you asking for the code set? 1567, which is the one that's associated with htis model in the editor. I also tried 1660 and that didn't work, either.

This leads me to ask- does everyone do a hard reset and firmware update before setup?

Another problem is that you select a codeset by model number, but when you look at the programming later, that model number is not in the file.

That codeset might be used for twenty to a hundred models, and it seems that the file refers not to the model number you chose, but to the first use of that codeset in the list of models. This is confusing.

If you want to drop the model number that I've chosen, then just give me the number of the codeset. Don't lie to me about what component I chose!

Do you ever check facts before you post or just throw it at a wall and see what sticks?

Go to the database tab and BAM, there are your model numbers you selected.

What he is saying is:
In CCP = You can go to a Sony TV model XBR55X850D and it will be code set 654.
Later you go back to that file and look at what TV is chosen and it will be a Sony KDL-22BX320. Still code set 654, but it will show the model of the 1st using that code set. Not the original one you chose.

Have never had that happen when opening the file I programmed on the machine I programmed. The only time it doesn't show exactly what I selected in programming is when I didn't program it (ie. I uploaded the file from the remote that someone else programmed).

I can do that, but the commands work when I learn them and if I enter only the AVR in the device list and don't hide any commands, most of the commands work, except for what was in the list that were erroneous. As I wrote, URC tested the commands I sent from the same computer and they couldn't replicate the problem.

This is the computer I use for most needs, although I have another one that has a serial port for those times when I have to use it.

I haven't had the problem you listed but I use my own created device for Yamaha. You could try an older series like RX-A700 code. Another potential problem could be the Remote ID setting in the advanced menu of Yamaha. Remote ID might be set to ID2 instead of ID1, it is worth checking.