This is a prime example of why you can't participate in the conversation, can you not state your point of view without making generalized assumptions about those on the other side?

I have plenty of friends that are conservatives and personally am far closer to the middle. I personally feel that people at the extremes of both sides should shut up.


Again, who said anything about lynching? Being a little extreme don't you think? I could care less what you belief or anyone else beliefs as long as it doesn't effect American Citizens who should have all the same, equal rights of other American citizens.

Do you not agree that ALL American Citizens should have Equal Rights, regardless of their beliefs?

How is fighting for equal legal rights an offense against coexist and equality?




I agree completely and glad you believe in equal rights.


How is it a double standard. Please explain. One point of view denies equal rights to other American Citizens. The other point of view supports equal rights.

What are the consequences of each point of view.

For Marriage Equality  = equal rights for all

Opposing Marriage Equality = restricted rights for some citizens

Restricted rights makes you a second class citizen. You know who else as restricted rights, felon's and non-citizens.

I'm TOTALLY fine with someone having their own religious view or whatever that makes them against marriage equality. That's their right. In America we have to tolerate and live among many who have different views that we might, that's fine.

The problem is if that view is creating inequality among other american's that should have the same rights.

A CEO is the face of the company, if consumers and investors don't agree with him, IT'S THEIR RIGHT to not support that company.

I personally do everything I can to avoid buying from Wal-mart, that's my right as a consumer to not support a company that I'm not a fan of.

This situation is the same thing. Wal-mart can do or say what they want, BUT there may be consequences, especially if the majority disagrees.
 

This....

 

Frankly, I would be embarrassed to be called either a liberal or conservative....both can be as equally annoying, shallow, dogmatic and flat out wrong!

Why would you want to be labeled something and why do you continue to debate each other, trying to prove that you and your views are right and the others is wrong??

It's like one side won't stop till they win and all your playing for is King of the Asshole hill.....

The same goes for the 'I'm Neither Of Them!' people.

There is no virtue in being not-this or not-that.
 

This is a response to

It is completely valid to engage in generalizations. EVERY scientific concept is based on observing, making generalizations, and then investigating to determine just exactly what is fact. I dare say we cannot get along without generalizations. The only way to do that is to take every event as an independent event unrelated to anything else that has ever happened or will ever happen. The guy who is unable to make new memories because his short-term memory does not function -- THAT's the guy who does not generalize.

"Over-generalization" is a term you use in an attempt to negate the value of generalization. I noticed that.

You say


By this you claim that I am trying to say that liberals


I never said that.

I did indeed say that liberals consider conservatives to be evil. That's not saying that they over-generalize; it's saying that the mind-set of the liberal is not to call the conservative's opinion or generalization wrong (which can be addressed by discussion) but evil (which stifles discussion immediately).

Let me quote from a book that written specifically for community organizers, which has come to mean liberals who want the power to force on people what they believe to be right (but was once used by Newt Gingrich!). I was going to comment on only a few of the following rules, but then you'd think I was leaving out good rules. I guess I have to list all of The Rules. If I didn't, you would choose individual things to complain about. I'll list all the rules so you can generalize as to what this is about. I have put some of them in bold print, however, as they are worth thinking about vis-a-vis intelligent discussion of ideas.

My comments are between the rules.


Note that people not on their side are not people who are wrong, but enemies; this goes along with the concept of thinking them evil.


Wow.  Never inspire your people to be better -- if they're dumb, work with them as dumb.


This works.  When conservatives do this, the rule about ridicule kicks in.


A good rule.  I wish conservatives could do this without being shouted down.


This is the content of most shouting down.  SIXHIRB is all about that.  It's potent because there's no response to ridicule and the crowd usually starts shouting once it starts.


That is, there are no rules except enjoy what you're doing.  If you're organizing thugs, be thuggish.  Wow.


I can see this.  If something doesn't work, maybe it should be abandoned.


Ain't that true!


Good one.


By this logic it is okay to kill abortionists. Killing abortionists is totally wrong but this rule inspires criminal acts... or, on the less criminal side, it inspires ridicule and name-calling, which by themselves are negative, but which this rule says will have positive results.


Again, look at the attitude.  I suppose an attack, if pushed hard enough, will become positive.


A major reason for stagnancy in Congress is the amount of polarization, promoted here.  And folks blame conservatives for polarization?

These rules are supposed, by Wikipedia, to be from "Rules For Radicals" by Saul Alinsky.  1971.  I see I must get a copy!

No. I said that liberals shout down conservatives but conservatives don't shout down liberals.




I believe I said that liberals do things the wrong way. I did not say they are evil.


Well, that's debatable.


List the occasions on which conservatives have shouted down liberal speakers, or universities have rejected liberal speakers. I almost hope you don't try because there are so many examples of liberals keeping conservatives from speaking that I don't want to have to write a post that long.


Note that you were using irony to call me a name, instead of simply addressing the issues. I claim liberals do that; you seem to confirm it.


I don't know why you're hung up on the idea, which I never stated, that conservatives try to silence those they disagree with. The couple of conservative talks show hosts to whom I listen are chosen by me in part because they always want to get the disagreeing conversations on the air! They discuss things!


I addressed that already.


...This is you, who claim I (incorrectly) generalize and don't speak of specifics? Your interpretation, done through your consciousness with your mode of thinking, is all generalization. "And so on and on" is pretty non-specific!

You must just love to argue on here, because you rarely make any valid points. Your just the guy whose drawn to conflict with a narcissistic desire to prove yourself true and others false.

Telling someone that if they are neither conservative nor liberal they have no virtue, well, I guess what your being accused of is correct. Your way is right, others are wrong :(

You like the role of moral determiner, but it's a bit ironic especially for someone who is a self professed atheist who has no true moral code.

Please remove the beam from your own eye before you lecture me about the splinter in mine.

:)

By the way, the majority of this country is centrist and is growing tired of listening to the right and left's constant banter and rhetoric which is just devise and wasted breath.

I make a bunch of valid points. You are either incapable of understanding them or incapable of responding. But really, your statement just screams projection.


You completely misunderstand my response to your statement. I said there is no virtue in being a not-this or not-that: as in, there is no virtue in being not liberal or not conservative. Your virtue comes from itself, not your ideology or dogma. You are merely espousing a third dogma, the 'You Both Suck' ideology.


That's a silly statement because everyone operates on a moral code. You just can't comprehend mine.


Boom! Well said.


Oh, the 3Pedal Whiny Bitches Movement. They're mad as hell and not going to take this any more! (shakes fist and scowls)

I think I saw an ALINKSY quote. What I like to call the Mini Godwin:

Every internet discussion will invariably devolve into an inference of some evil sinister plot by 'the Left' by invoking Saul Alinsky.

Brought to you by Glenn Beck... who sure seems to have studied and is doing the same things. 

Again, more of the moral superiority ....what gives with you??? "Your incapable of understanding" wtf???



Even if I was espousing a third dogma, why is my "dogma" less important than yours???? I think anyone capable of rational thought can look at both liberals and conservatives and see that the rhetoric is divisive and unproductive. I can be neither liberal or conservative and have virtue, it's not a, either you are or you aren't.


Again with the moral superiority, so please tell me...what IQ level, what intelligence is needed to understand the Great Big Papa??? How many people a day do you look down at as inferior or less than to you and your "greatness"????



Got that right!



I'm not made as hell, but I guess your right. I simply don't understand what you mean here???? Not for lack of knowledge or wisdom, rather because of your confused and angry messages masked in cynicism.

Still not arguing without putting the other person down....no way to win on merit or facts

But really, your statement just screams projection.

Is that JVC Pro or Epson? This is an A/V web forum....

8-)

Again with the........please choose from the lesser of two evils :)-

Shouldn't every job be a

Why is that I attempt to address and answer questions and yet those asking the question neglect or refuse acknowledge and discuss why I'm wrong? Convince me why I should change my views.

instead I just keep seeing the same post reworded a it how liberals (I guess all??) think conservatives are evil. I consider myself pretty liberal but don't think liberals or evil. I think many have beliefs based on their religion which I disagree with nor understand, but I'm okay with that. Other than many conservatives Ignorance toward climate change, I could care less.

The conversation isn't about how bashes who more or who shuts who up more. There are PLENTY of exams from both parties, just watch msnbc and fox. Media driven to rial people up.

I can can discuss the OP without having to argue the differences and likenesses of the extremest. 

Maybe you are being persecuted for your beliefs.