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How's the "Affordable Healthcare" going for everyone?
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Post 226 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 22:29
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On December 26, 2016 at 14:15, techvalley said...
Insurance is pretty much socialism. Sometimes you'll be paying for others, sometimes others will be paying for you.

Insurance is gambling, with the added screw that it also pays for others. We're betting that we'll have an insurable event and they're betting that we won't, but the odds were worked out long ago and they're still fine-tuning.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 227 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 22:30
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The reason that health insurance cost so much is those darn sick and old people. Without those people the rates for health insurance would be much, much lower.

Saw an episode of "Man in the High Castle" a series on Amazon which is an alternate version of history where the Nazi's won WWII. The main character is driving a truck through Indiana when it breaks down. While trying to change the tire a state trooper pulls over and helps him. While changing the tire they notice these ashes floating down. The trooper says that it is no problem, "The hospital is over the next hill and today is Tuesday when they get rid of the old and terminally ill".
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Post 228 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 22:43
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In response to simoneales:

Simply covering everyone was not the answer and not the reason for all the push back. The failure to address containing costs doomed it as a viable plan.

It's great to have compassion and especially when it's not your money you want to see spent. Understanding the costs involved caused many to push back. It was forewarned that the dollars and cents did not add up. To add insult to injury were the statements by Mr. Obama about costs going down and being able to keep your own doctor. He knew that was a lie as he spoke. He is not a dumb person. Smart people know when they are telling the truth and when they are not.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Winston Churchill
Post 229 made on Monday December 26, 2016 at 22:47
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I don't want to care for less fortunate out of my medical premium plan. Doing so raises the fees to the point where I can't afford the plan in the first place.

I am OK with being in a pool of paying customers just like auto industry.
I know that some years I'll be putting the money in the piggy bank and during others I'll be taking money out.

The idea of contributing to the society as a whole and it being a for profit corporations (ie. insurance companies) does not sit well with me.
That's what taxes and SS program is for.

It might seem cold hearted, but as a hard working, 1st generation immigrant, I don't want to hear that it's too hard to be successful or that this country doesn't have opportunities
Post 230 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 01:30
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On December 26, 2016 at 22:47, Mario said...
I don't want to care for less fortunate out of my medical premium plan. Doing so raises the fees to the point where I can't afford the plan in the first place.

I am OK with being in a pool of paying customers just like auto industry.
I know that some years I'll be putting the money in the piggy bank and during others I'll be taking money out.

The idea of contributing to the society as a whole and it being a for profit corporations (ie. insurance companies) does not sit well with me.
That's what taxes and SS program is for.

It might seem cold hearted, but as a hard working, 1st generation immigrant, I don't want to hear that it's too hard to be successful or that this country doesn't have opportunities

The problem is that before the ACA you were paying for the less fortunate because hospitals were over billing providers to make up the losses they incurred due to the uninsured using the emergency room as a doctor, and other unpaid care.

The real core of the problem, the wrong people (the insurance and the drug companies) get to establish the cost of medical treatment in our country. The doctors that save lives don't get to even set their own price for service. The insurance companies decide what they will pay after service is rendered. How would any of us react if after we installed a state of the art entertainment system, the interior decorator decided how much we would be paid?
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

Post 231 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 01:49
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On December 26, 2016 at 21:43, simoneales said...
Here is Australia we pay 1.4% of our income as medicare levy which is removed
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... All the bullshit reasons given for not doing it have been shown not to exist in |either Australia or the UK. You guys got screwed without lube, but if you are |looking for someone to blame, look to all those that fought Obama all the way.

I cannot speak to Australia but my UK friends don't have much good to say about the speed or quality of care.

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Post 232 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 02:21
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It's easy to throw off on the medical system in America when we are picking up the R&D costs for the rest of the world.
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

Post 233 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 07:30
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On December 27, 2016 at 01:30, Fins said...
The insurance companies decide what they will pay after service is rendered. How would any of us react if after we installed a state of the art entertainment system, the interior decorator decided how much we would be paid?

AFAIK, DR's accept "in network" pricing from insurance companies which a good amount cheaper than if you just came in off the street. It is pre-determined and accepted pricing though, to get that insurance companies clients in the door.

The customer often doesn't know what it will cost til services are rendered and often can't decline anyway if they want a good quality of life.
"try to become not a man of success, but try rather to become a man of value."
Post 234 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 09:15
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On December 26, 2016 at 22:47, Mario said...
I don't want to care for less fortunate out of my medical premium plan. Doing so raises the fees to the point where I can't afford the plan in the first place.

I am OK with being in a pool of paying customers just like auto industry.
I know that some years I'll be putting the money in the piggy bank and during others I'll be taking money out.

The idea of contributing to the society as a whole and it being a for profit corporations (ie. insurance companies) does not sit well with me.
That's what taxes and SS program is for.

It might seem cold hearted, but as a hard working, 1st generation immigrant, I don't want to hear that it's too hard to be successful or that this country doesn't have opportunities

One thing that pisses me off is when people who were born in the US are part of families that are generational welfare recipients and when someone asks why they don't get a job or do something like graduate high school they say "I can't". Bullshyte! People who come here without knowing ANY English and have nothing but what they're carrying can learn it in a very short time, get a job, buy a house, maybe own a business in a very short time.

Half of succeeding is just showing up. People need to show up and this applies to most of life- whether it's their education, a job or their health, they need to think past their next day or meal. Eating bad food and not bothering to learn to cook is no damn excuse for their bad health. I'm sure a lot of people fall into the group of "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak", so they may know they need to get in shape, but they just can't bring themselves to start. Call it 'lazy' or something else, but this country is in sad shape. In the '60s, Kennedy started the President's Council on Physical Fitness and school kids had to perform various activities in Phys Ed class. I seriously doubt this would fly now, since we need to coddle kids who "just can't" do these things and forcing them to try would make them sad. The obesity epidemic is costing us far more than anyone wants to admit. Add smoking and drug/alcohol abuse- the cost is staggering.

When will someone in Washington say:
"Some people can't care for themselves, through no fault of their own- what do we do with them? What about old people? Should we euthanize them? Should a limit be placed on how long we live? At some point, they are no longer viable organ donor candidates, right? What's the point of letting them live?"
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 235 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 15:35
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I am not an advocate of going and doing a "logan's Run" on old/disabled/ or negative return individuals. Many need more access to choices of employment, food, education and access to affordable services.
Many are personal, poor choices that get the lower income individuals into a death spiral that is hard to get out of. There is not an easy fix here.
Certain cultures, which absolutely involves lifestyle, prosper and others do not because of choices, there will always be poor and rich. Socialism is not going to fix this.
Socialism is legalized stealing and does not fix the issue of Stupid vs Smart.
I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.
Post 236 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 15:53
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On December 27, 2016 at 15:35, GotGame said...
Socialism is legalized stealing and does not fix the issue of Stupid vs Smart.

I think to some degree the current welfare programs encourage "stupid".
Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
Post 237 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 18:55
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On December 27, 2016 at 15:53, fcwilt said...
I think to some degree the current welfare programs encourage "stupid".

Make that "to a very large degree" then add lazy, useless, and demanding to that stupid thing.

Why work when uncle will give you everything you need so you can just hang around all day waiting for that next handout?
Post 238 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 19:14
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On December 27, 2016 at 18:55, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...

Why work when uncle will give you everything you need so you can just hang around all day waiting for that next handout?

And complain that it's not enough?
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Winston Churchill
Post 239 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 20:35
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Socialism is not going to fix this.
Socialism is legalized stealing and does not fix the issue of Stupid vs Smart.

The reason socialism failed is because the people who worked hard were not rewarded over the people who worked the bare minimum. There was no incentive to work your ass off when the other guy who did nothing was paid the same amount. It also encouraged corruption because that was the only way that someone could get ahead of the next guy.
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Post 240 made on Tuesday December 27, 2016 at 21:18
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How many checks did you guys write to police officers today? Which of the roads did you build?

I think some of you might be confused about what socialism is. This sort of confusion had people fainting in the 50's whenever they heard the evil dirty word communism. It wont bite you. You can climb down from the chair now and quit screaming like a little girl.

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