8. Why did you cut your pricing in half when you obtained lower pricing?

9. You state that you have been in business for 16 years. Does your 16 years of experience tell you that it’s realistic to expect to be able to purchase Cat 5/6 that is sold in the billions of feet at some special price that an electrician can’t get? YES or NO. You get the best price on cable by shopping around AND buying in quantity. It doesn’t matter who you are as long as you have a resale license.

10. What were you paying for Cat 5E and Cat 6 before you found the new super duper pricing from AVAD?

The good news is I’ve found some great deals on F connectors and wire ties. Maybe that will allow you to ride the profit train home on your next job. I just hope we can keep an exclusive on these wire ties so those damn electricians don't get a hold of them.

Tripple Q. I will try to explain so that you can understand someone who cant possibly be as smart or as good as your self. When pricing cable for production builder projects ( remember I stated that this is not my normal market but it keeps my installers busy) you will not be able to get the job unless the builder can get close to the price that the electrician is paying. The electrician until know has been paying around the same cost price as me. We have always used very fine quality cable on a direct purchase from the manufacture. About $350,000. dollars last year with best pricing terms. So you are giving the builder a break to keep the guys busy. are you with me so far (yes or no).
So then a cable comes out that appears to be substancially lower than the rest. How could it be that they are selling cable at 50 cents on the dollar. I dont know but im sure that you will be able to tell us all that dont understand how this business really should be done. Thanks for any input TRIPLE Q

I have not scene to many that use wire ties TRIPPLE Q, Most that I have seen use staples or u nails. But once again u know more than we do. Thanks again TRIPLE Q for your words of knoledge and wisdom. Forgive me for the question Triple Q but I am new to the forum so I dont know what your back ground is. I am assuming that you are a sales person for a company, not a princaple (yes or no) if your answer is no than your input on this matter is not as important as we all thought. If the answer is yes then please refer to the previous replies.

Assuming that’s the case, then AVAD didn’t change anything did they!

No, I’m not with you. Your pricing is meaningless. $350 for what?

I just did a search on Google. [Link: national-tech.com]

Took me less then 60 seconds to find Cat 5E at $71.40 per thousand as shown above. Available to anyone for about 7 cents a foot. Obviously still higher than wholesale. So obviously your recent “pricing breakthrough” wasn’t a breakthrough at all. Do you believe me yet?

I already told you. They aren’t selling cable for 50 cents on the dollar. You were obviously paying inflated prices.

No problem. You’re welcome. Glad I could help.

TRIPPLE Q how about 75.00 a roll for cat6. See you dont know everthing I guess.

TRIPPLE Q, we have been running CAT6 for over two years, again looking out for our clients best interest we have been planning for Gigabit networks that support 550 Mhz. This will allow for the new distribution clients for HD and other media over IP.

Actually tripplQ u are paying the inflated pricing because I can get CAT5e for 33.00 a roll

And I didnt even have to search at all.

Tripple Q you have gottin too far off the subject. You are starting to make my head hurt. It is to much for me to talk to such a brilliant person who knows so much. Thanks for yourinput thou, know people finally know the truth about avad and about you.

Design4u. where are you paying 33.00 for cat4e? and is it a 1000 FT.? I am not getting into this debate you two are having as i see it is quite intense. But, am always interested in saving costs and finding new suppliers.

Lonny

Now I'm completely confused........... Who started this thread??? Did you [Design4U] have someone steal your account and post all that whining?????????

350k is a lot of wire..... and now you need to find your Installers "Busy Work"??? You might want to start looking a little deeper... I dont thik AVAD is the source of your problems.

Lets look at this scenario.... If we figure and average of 75ft on a pull of cat 5e.. Thats about $5.25 in wire at 7cents a foot and a whopping $10.50 at 14 cents a foot..... Bout 1/2 hour of Labor during prewire... (We're at $65 an hour so I'll figure 32.50) Plus Zipties, and plastic staples and a p-ring... add a Cheap phone plate ($1) and 2-3 minutes of labor (ANd it seems your just banging in staples with a staple gun so subtract a buck....)brings us up to the neighborhood of $50 a pull.... Throw in a Professional Discount and a "Busy work" discount and you could sell it all day long for $35-$40 a jack and still retain some sort of profit margin as long as your doin a fair number and have installers that can actally pull a line in less than 1/2 hour.....

Now... I've seen Electricians and various slammers do this for $25-$30 a pull quite often.

If you cant get someone to understand why your $10 more expensive per pull... Well.... I just dont know what to say.... You wanna play with the guys doing $25 a jack.... Learn to deal with it.......

Or learn to say this....

"Sorry guys.. No work this week.... I'll give you a call next week"

A whole $30 a roll. Man what a savings. Too bad in business its max profit per man-hour. Do you really think a lawyer who is charging 250-and up per hour is saying man I can buy these post-it notes so much cheaper shopping on line? No he has someone else who makes $15 an hour take care of these things. The lawyer knows better than bog him/herself down with petty stuff. Well IF he/she was in the business of running tons of cat5 then maybe the lawyer might take an interest. Maybe not as there are deals to secure.

Design-4U. Take QQQs experience as advice and his jokes as just that. QQQ has the vision of a well experience designer salesman. I like his view of a business model as this is the way to build a business, not just survive.

Dave

Lonny...

It's Cat5e

and if he's going 350K a year in wire, he's maybe getting it a little cheaper than that!

My cost isn't much over that, but it ain't quite that cheap!

it's always best NOT to talk dealer cost in public forums, as that too GREATLY helps to cheapen the industry!

find some sort of secured, pros only forum somewhere to talk pricing

avdude

Are you saying he should take my experience as a joke ;) :-).