This isn't the whole deal, but I see a lot of repeated newbie questions, so I put the short compilation of answer together.. I nivite other to add to it and kkep it going if it's worth it.. I wish I found it when I first got mine.. That first kick is a tough one.

What? The awesome manual doesn't get you started?..
I know.. It sucks.

When you get to pronto edit programing:
First delete the devices and buttons you don't have, or won't be using.. You can easily add them later if you want. I would suggest learning in codes directly to the remote and then uploading to Pronto Edit to save and change. If all is going well.. You should have a bunch of different versions of your remote in your PC before long, and you will also have ccf's (graphics) that you've downloaded galore, and you'll have about your 15th visit to this site... And you'll have havd the remote for about 4 days now, and be asking yourself... Is this fun!! or what!?

Honestly.. It's not so bad once you get into it.. You will want to look more in this site about aliases and macros after you get your basic IR functions working.

To just start IR programming out of the box.. (Not hooked up to your Bozo-Pueter.)

Select the type of device you want to program form the device bar.. VCR etc.

Tap the mode button at the bottom center of the screen.

Tap Learn.

Tap the button you would like to learn. I.E. fast fwd. (or even a hard button at this time.. CH+.. VOL.. mute, etc.)

The button will flash..

Now aim the source remote at the IR pickup at the base of the pronto.

Press (fast fwd) for a sec or two and the Pronto will say pass or fail.. Keep doing this until you want to test them.

Then.. Press the mode button again..

Tap Use... You are now ready to try it out

NOTES ON USE AND TESTING!!

Test the learned buttons carefully. Even if they pass.. They may not work right the first time.. For instance test the TV buttons 0 thru 9 by tapping 111222333444etc.. the numbers on screen should change exactly the same as if you had used your orig. remote. No pause,.. No stutter stutter..

WHEN learning IR NEVER program by the cool light of a florescent light.. It will corrupt you IR signal.. And avoid using the remote in florescent lighted rooms..
It's just a bad Idea...

ALSO>> NEVER NEVER program in direct sunlight.. You will only get frustrated.. It to will mess you up. Even indirect sunlight is bad bad bad.. Evening is good..
During daytime programing, I'll make a little canyon out of a couple throw pillows (dark colored ones preferred) and program the remote in there.. Or even under.. (listen for the chirp)..

Despite what they say.. holding the remote 6-8 inches away is a bunch of *&%#.
all remotes can be different. even individual buttons.. try 1 inch to 18 inches plus.. sometimes a nice variable swing motion. ;) (this is only for advanced programers. beginners could be subjecting themselves to injury)

This is only very newbie info..
You should come back here a dozen times and ask 34 more questions before giving the remote to any stranger.

As you may have learned... Don't drop it.. Well, not more than 25-30".. And that's onto vinyl tile.. Oh yes..? Don't we all have that in our HT?.. So good for acoustics.

Have fun.. I've got other plans.

Newbies.. If you get anything out of this thread.. You should keep it alive for other newbies by posting a short response.. Others? Wanna further this.. Add newbie suggestions? feel more than free,... We all know the fun of being a Pronto Newbie.
Besides.. I haven't had mine very long, and I may be way off base here. ;)

USA - Where are you from?

OK, from Ft Lauderdale, FL. I'm a newby to Pronto and just got a new home theatre with a Yamaha RX-V995 receiver and the Pioneer Elite DV-F07 301 CD/DVD jukebox. But I'm still using my old Mitsubishi CK3502R TV which I'd like to find discrete ON/OFF codes for.

Instead of reinventing the wheel and creating a whole setup from scratch, I'm trying to use an entire CCF system setup posted in the archives here which I like a lot, especially cause it uses a Pioneer 301 DVD similar to mine (Diff model#).

I'm trying to use Pronto Edit to modify it to my specs and for my components. So far I've edited the basic framework to my liking and removed a device I don't need, changed a few labels and downloaded it to the Pronto. Of course it won't work with my system, yet.

Next, I plan to teach the remote codes to it and then I think I need to modify the macros to use my codes. This is where I may need some specific advice. Anyone know if this is the correct procedure? I'll be happy to post my CCF file when it's done (is it ever really done?)

BTW- Daniel, this site is a great resource. Thanx.

MikeA

Jay:
Great idea for a thread since it took me two days to figuire out what a newby/newbie even was--I knew
that it was not a special program sequence anyway. My new Pronto is due in today--cannot wait to dive in!
Daniel Tonks is a friggin' genious!

Mike,

You are proceeding exactly the right way. Check the unofficial FAQ here at remotecentral for more information on transferring "hex" code. This is a very convenient way to change someone else's button art to operate your gear with DISCRETE codes. Here are some discrete codes for Mitsubishi sets and my take (in the spirit of this thread) on how to use them inside RC5000Setup or ProntoEdit:

Rear Projection Television

Power On
0000 007f 0000 0011 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a
001e 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 001e
000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a
0046 000a 001e 000a 0363


Power Off
0000 007b 0000 0011 000a 0048 000a 0048 000a 0048 000a
001f 000a 001f 000a 001f 000a 0048 000a 001f 000a 001f
000a 0048 000a 001f 000a 0048 000a 001f 000a 001f 000a
0048 000a 001f 000a 0380


Antenna A
0000 007b 0000 0011 000a 0048 000a 0048 000a 0048 000a
001f 000a 001f 000a 001f 000a 0048 000a 001f 000a 001f
000a 0048 000a 001f 000a 0048 000a 0048 000a 001f 000a
0048 000a 001f 000a 032c


Antenna B
0000 007f 0000 0011 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a
001e 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 001e
000a 001e 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a
0046 000a 001e 000a 0313


Input 1
0000 007b 0000 0011 000a 0048 000a 0048 000a 0048 000a
001f 000a 001f 000a 001f 000a 0048 000a 001f 000a 001f
000a 0048 000a 001f 000a 001f 000a 001f 000a 0048 000a
0048 000a 001f 000a 032c


Input 2
0000 007f 0000 0011 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a
001e 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 001e
000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 0046 000a
0046 000a 001e 000a 0312


Input 3
0000 007f 0000 0011 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a
001e 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 001e
000a 0046 000a 001e 000a 001e 000a 0046 000a 0046 000a
0046 000a 001e 000a 0312

The hex codes have been gathered together and put into ccf form in the file "discrete.ccf" which is in the same folder as the hex code documents. To use a hex code, you:
1) Click on the action tab of the button properties window of the button you want the hex code stored in.
2) Add any IR code from the IR Database (it really doesn't matter which one).
3) Double Click on the IR Code in the action list to reveal the hex code.
4) Click on the Start button in windows. Start your word processor and open up the document with the hex code.
5) Select the hex code and copy it to the Windows clipboard.
6) Return to the RC5000 Setup window. The hex code of the IR code from the database is highlighted (meaning it is "Selected" by windows), so all you have to do is paste the hex code in its place.

Note: You will not see the nice columns when you first paste the hex code in. However once you click on OK, the hex code will be sorted into neat columns by RC5000 Setup. You can name the IR code with the naming box to the left of the OK button. In the old days, you couldn't put a space within the name, the code wouldn't work. It may be fixed now, I've never checked. So my old habit is still to name codes all one word titles.

Yes, I believe that's fixed. But since some folks are still using old firmware, I generally recommend no spaces. :-)

Thanks Eric,

I've been experimenting with copying the hex codes into the button properties, trying to get the discrete codes for the TV and VCR. I think I got the procedure right, but all the codes so far just don't work. My TV is an old model and there may not be any discretes for it (ON/OFF). I'm also trying to get codes for the Panasonic PV9662 VCR, but nothing so far works.

So what are the workaraounds, or how can you find the codes when you DO have the remote (which just toggles the power)? How about using a Monster Power conditioner for the discrete on/off's?

New Topic: it's interesting to see the many different programming approaches from the archive. It looks like most try to balance device control with action macros. The challenge is getting most of what you want within the 1MB constraint.

MikeA

The monster power conditioner for on/off works fine unless the component has a clock. As for other techniques, there are three time-consuming sometimes futile but occasionally beneficial approaches.

1) Try a different sequences of codes from the factory supplied remote. For instance, some vcr's and dvd players will respond (when off) to a Play command and turn on. Thus, a two step sequence of Play then Stop is a viable ON command (it can only turn the component ON). This is the only SAFE method of discovering discrete codes.

2) Download Barry Gordons description of IR codes in the Pronto at documentation in the files section here at remote central. Then use various utilities located at:
[Link: remotecentral.com]

These utilities allow you to generate 256 codes from one sample code, then generate a ccf with all 256 codes as buttons. Then try all the new codes on your component. Sometimes the engineers who designed the product used discrete codes in the design process for various arcane reasons. These codes may control service modes (with some components, these engineering service codes can be very dangerous, resetting convergence to some factory standard, clearing memories etc). However, many of the discrete codes found at remotecentral were created this way (by risking the component in question).

3) For components with RC5 or RC6 code format use the internal RC5 action list button to create new RC5/6 codes to try on your component. This has all the disadvantages of the previous method.

My recommendation to you is to try method 1, if you can't find a combination that works, then make a big obvious button for everyone to use on any panel they may need that component. It may not be automatic, but it is easy for anyone to use that way.

older mitsu tv's do not have descrete on/off codes,sorry.but i have an old mitsu big screen and the on/off never fails for me. This forum is great for downloading if codes only for people that don't have the remotes.For those that have the remotes just simply learn then manually into your remote after you set up your icons

Hi Eric, Ed and all,

Thanks for the info. I guess I'm lucky to have all the remotes. The one for the Mitsubishi is good in that it has discrete buttons for inputs to TV, EXT1, EXT2 and the obsolete? RGB.

Tip #1 works on my Pioneer Elite 301 DVD changer, but someone already had the codes for them - maybe thats what they did.
I'm hoping to find discrete on/off's for the Panasonic VCR (PV9662, i think).

I don't know what the RC5 and 6 code formats mean.

Regards,
MikeA

If you want to read Barry's document without having to download it, there is a copy of it on my web site, it's definitely a recommended read.

Here's the URL: [Link: stormloader.com]

Rob.

Thanks, Rob. Looks like more than I need to know but that's good info.
MikeA

RC-5 and RC-6 codes are used to operate components that buy the sensor and interpreting chip from Philips. These codes have a very strange format that changes each time you press a button on the remote. Philips refers to it as a "toggle" bit.

Some of the manufacturers that use Philips codes are:
Marantz, Carver, Krell, Arcam and goes on an on...

Your pronto will learn some Philips codes as RC-5 and RC-6 codes, when it does, you can synthesize new codes, using the same System code.

I don't recommend this to you, it is risky.
From the sounds of your system, you probably don't have anything that is RC5 based.

If you list your system, we could comment.