Can anyone provide a link to what devices the Pronto can control?

It seems there is some issues with Sony DVD players, I'm also wondering if Pronto supports harmon/kardon devices. I see the Pronto tops out at 56Hz and the TakeControl tops out at 125Hz. Does anybody know who is making devices that are using the 57-125Hz range.

Don't quote me on this, but I recall reading
previously in this forum that the 56kHz
limitation is imposed by the Pronto's
learning ability only. It can actually emit
freq's beyond 56, but they must be entered
into Pronto other than through learning eye,
ie, via .ccf file through Pronto-edit. So
with the Pronto-edit software you could enter
a device code of higher freq than it could 'learn'
and control your 56-112khz based devices.

I think this was mentioned somewhere by
'Helpful Person', who apparently is involved
with Philips engineering.

Leonard:

1) The Pronto comes with templates built-in for the following devices: TV, VCR, Cable Box, Preamp, Tuner, CD, DBS, LD, DVD, Tape, Audio Processor, CDR, Camcorder, Flat TV (HDTV/Projection), Minidisc, Projector, VCD, WebTV and "Other". But since every signal is learned you could use any template that closely matches your device if it isn't covered. With ProntoEdit the configurations are unlimited.

2) I own a Sony DVP-S500D and can safely say I have absolutely no "issues" using it with the Pronto.

3) I haven't heard anything that the Pronto doesn't support HK components - perhaps someone with HK components could clarify.

4) Sorry, I'm not sure who's using the range between 57 and 125KHz. But Andy is right, this is a limit with the learning capability of the Pronto, not the sending, so it's possible if there are devices in that range the manufacturer and/or Philips could post pre-defined templates for it.

I've got a Pioneer Elite Projection 16x9 Monitor that I bought new this past April. I'm still waiting for Philips to resolve the issue wherein Pronto can't learn the IR 100 kHz plus frequencies of the Elite remote. Some of the Philips people pass off the problem by saying that only "older" Elites transmit the high IR frequencies and that there is no problem with "newer" Elite models. My Elite is less that a year old.

Don,
It is/was my understanding that Elite did use the 125khz code range for one year and then went back to more standard range, primarily because of heat from the custom installation community. I stand corrected if this is not true. I do also ask whether you;ve tried learning at greater distance as my experience with some of my newer remotes(Scientific Atlanta digital cable box) that at close range the codes were supposedly learned although were apparently highly distorted and needed to be relearned at a bout a 12" range, afterwhich they worked just fine.
I will also inquire with a fellow custom install dealer on the Elite code situation. The Philips guys can only comment based upon what they heard from other sources because of course they don't actually have the products to test and verify. I would also expect that we'll see resolution to the higher frequency code situation once the ProntoEdit vehicle is available for you to facilitate the higher frequency code import. Keep the faith, I know the engineering staff is aware of and is able to provide solutions.

Pronto Elite RPTV--I also would like to know how old is "old". What year or years? I have a 1992 model. The Pronto is of no use to me if it won't control my TV. Anyone know where I can obtain this info? Thanks in advance.

I have the Sony DVP-S7000 and there are NO issues. Works like a charm.

Jack:
Thanks for the encouragement re Philips engineers eventually resolving the higher frequency issue with the ProntoEdit release (next week, I hope). Lot of folks apparently are banking on it to make Pronto the BEST.

Don,
As I understand it, the issue IS that Pronto can't learn the higher frequencies because of the frequency response of the learning sensor/related electronics. However, I understand that it is quite capable of emitting much higher frequencies so I would expect the Philips engineering people to address this either by obtaining/learning the control codes in question or perhaps creating the capability to enter a hex string that will generate the codes. As compared to some learning remotes that simply "take a picture" of the IR code and play it back, my understanding is that Pronto actually reads the carrier and code stream, stores this info as data, then regenerates them based upon this info. This, if the data is available, then the codes can be regenerated as needed.

The Pioneer IR codes that caused so many problems have a carrier frequency of 1.125 megahertz, rather than the 32-56 kilohertz that almost all remotes use. Pioneer took the criticism to heart, and reverted back to more conventional frequencies within a year or two.

Pronto is quite capable of transmitting these higher carrier frequencies, just not able to capture ones above about 60 KHz or so.

I've ordered remotes for the Pioneer Pro-119 (rear projection set) and VSX-D3S (receiver) that people here have indicated can't be captured by Pronto. When they arrive, I'll stick some test equipment on them and see what's going on. It should be a simple matter of measuring the timing and creating a CCF.

Some people are going to owe me several beers by the end of this... :-)

That's real ale isn't it?

ahp,

I thought there was also a problem with Sony ES types?

Jack

While on the subject Bang & Olufsen TV remotes operate at 100 Khz !

Jack: There's all sorts of various problems with Sony ES remote, most of them caused by Sony.

1) On most ES models the component select buttons send out a macro that turns of the TV, changes TV inputs, etc. Some folks have been able to learn just the first signal with no additional fiddling, while other can't get it to work at all. Fortunantly the RM-AV2000 includes component select buttons that ONLY do that -- easy to learn from.

2) Any Sony product with "VisionTouch" seems impossible to control.

3) The newer 2-way remotes included with the 50ES receiver and 9000 processor are a 50/50 situation. Interestingly, due to complains of really short batter life and a horrible display Sony has released a NEW replacement remote. I do believe that these receivers will still operate with older IR codes.

Jack:

I will be glad to buy you beer, or even pay for some of your time in fixing the Pioneer problems! I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-99 A/V Receiver. I believe that the remote for the Pioneer VSX-D3S is identical to the VSX-99, so this should fix my Pronto receiver control problem. I also have the Pioneer (non-elite) 57" 16x9 RPTV, and I am hoping that its remote is the same as the Pioneer Pro-119's. If you are able to help me get my Pronto to control these units, then you just name the beer! (or I would be happy to send you some funds so that you could go out and buy the beer yourself!) :-) -Jeff