I am doing a job for my brother in law and his wife. I want to do something pretty sweet and ultimately extremely easy to use. My first choice for control would be AMX, however they aren't exactly cheap :) I have done some basic research on the Nevo and here is a small compilation of questions I have for the forum (I warn you they may appear vague):

1) Is the WIFI reliable? There will be no streaming of audio.

2) Can you send commands via ethernet to other devices?

3) How is the software?

4) Is there anything I should be aware of if being a first time user?

5) Is UEI planning on making the IR outputs of the Nevo Link discrete?

6) What does it cost?

7) How friendly is the UPnP with playing music, looking at photos from a local PC?

I have not gotten to piece the exact system together, however I have a pretty good idea it will be a 1080p LCD, either Denon or Marantz mid level reciever, Extron video scaler, possibly a Blu-Ray player, PC, minor lighting control (1 room, IR based). All equipment will live in a rack in an adjacent room. I want to use the Nevo Link for control of equipment. I understand that they are not discrete IR outputs. That presents its own problem because I don't feel like buying another one to get the desired effect. I DO NOT WANT TO USE IR. I hate holding a remote to a sensor and expecting it to work everytime. I come from the commercial side with an ethernet based world of control where it works without the hassle of point and press.

The only other remote I am considering is the T3 from RTI. I have used some RTI stuff in the past and I like the quality. I like the features and WIFI of the Nevo. I just can't justify the price for the T4 and XP-8. I would rather do AMX.

Just don't... there are plenty of threads about it. The Wifi is the most common issue with this unit.

1. No
2. No. But you can get things to stream to DSMs and the like. If it stays connected.
3. Software is simple stupid easy to use. that is why some defend the unit.
4. You should be aware that this is not a set and forget control system.You will spend considerable time trouble shooting things that crop up and it is by no means a stable unit. IT IS ONLY SUITED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPETENT AND WILLING TO MESS WITH IT ALL THE TIME. IT IS A HOBBIEST REMOTE, NOT THE PROFESSIONAL PIECE THEY MARKETED TO US.
5. No word on that.
6. Does it matter?
7. Long songs and end of ques cause frequent documented lock ups.

A T3 and an RP6 can handel a lot of things. T4 is still kind of an in progress things until we see the XP-8. Right now it can't do video unless docked with a EM-4 I think it was.

Any second now Carl will swoop in and rip my head off. :)

Well, if Carl is busy, I am going to jump in. I notice how nice you are about RTI and the T4 being a "work in progress"....Horse-crap. It either works or it does not. I read some of your earlier posts about the brand new T4 not even doing some basics correctly, but I don't see you jumping into every RTI thread and pissing and moaning about what a piece of crap the T4 is.

How many months are you going to give RTI to fix their product??? I certainly do not see you giving UEI any breathing room and you are perpetuating very old info.

So, either get a new Nevo with the recommended wap and make the correct network settings and see if it does what it is supposed to do or shut the F*** up already.

Your moaning about Nevo is based on rev 1 software of 15 months ago and is certainly fueled by the 1-time customer support issue you had 12 months ago. You are not helping anyone and just demonstrating your ignorance, as well as your interest in promoting or demoting whatever suits your fancy, without any serious, appropriate data. Better said, you have anal-cranial inversion...

You are spewing old info and haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about. Either get on the bandwagon and try it again or shut up already. Everyone is tired of seeing your posts on this subject. You are simply promoting your own agenda.

Fond Regards...Dave

Dave that was a bit too much don't you think... check the other threads. Guys still have the same issues.

I don't think I have ever even been rude to you...so back the F up Dave. I am not saying anything that has not been substantiated by other posters recently. you even commented in the other threads where people are still having issues.

I have enjoyed talking with you in the past... BUT THAT WAS TOO MUCH.

Your opoinion is one thing.. but attacking me was not needed in the slightest.

RTI... THEY MADE A MASSIVE SOFTWARE MISTAKE in the T4 Editor. Having a Page jump completely lock up the unit. Aside from that the unit has worked. Which I have commented on. We really don't know what this thing is supposed to do as many of its features don't work. (Actually the first unit I had, had a defective RF transmitter. Oh and RTI replaced it without calling me names. Weird... Professionalism...)

Now if Bret talked to me the way that John did... I might not be very forgiving.

I don't want to put you in that group Dave.

Now Dave,try to answer what he asked, if you want rebut what I am saying.. go for it. All I get is these personal attacks. Think I am wrong... thats cool. But attacking me doesn't make you right. It certainly doesn't make the product any better. If attacks on me made the product better... that NEVO WOULD BE THE BEST PRODUCT EVER!

:)

I am cool with whatever. Maybe we should take a little test, you interested?

Springs - If you are such a subject-matter expert on remotes, how about answering these questions (if you can)?

How many Nevo SL configs have you created for cutomers using wi-fi or even IR in version 1.0, 1.1, 1,2 and 2.0, in the past 15 months since the product was released?

How many Pronto configs have you done on any any pronto model, within the past 3 years?

How many RTI configs have you done for clients in the past 2 years?

How many URC configs have you done for customers in the past 2 years?

Dave

You are a bit too much and you are not the subject-matter expert you let on to be.

You have your head up your butt on this old Nevo SL support issue and you are not enough of a man to let it go. You apparently have nothing better to do than to attack UEI on EVERY occasion. It is stupid, elementary, sophomoric and you just can't let it go.

So, answer the questions I posted and let's see exactly where you expertise lies.

When you can demonstrate your ability with proven client installations, than I and others may listen to you. Other than that, I will find the time to dis-credit all of your stupid posts.

By the way, can you help me get the wi-fi working on my T3. I just can't seem to get it to talk to my network???? Since you are the RTI expert, please help me...


Dave

I would just like to step back in and ask both of you to stop. I understand the frustration with certain product and what it can do to someone. I have over 8 years of experience in A/V and I too have developed a hatred for certain products and companies due to false advertisement. I have seen the arguments you two have in these forums and I will ask you both to stop pissing on my thread. It seems to be keeping others from answering my original questions.

The first post from Spring had answers, albeit one sided (your answers have been noted). ddarche, you clearly have a better understanding of the product and I would like to tap into that. If it doesn't have to do at least remotely (pun intended) with the thread, please don't waste the keystrokes. Thank you both in advance.

Dave... cool it on the personal attacks.

Pronto PCF configurations on my Memory stick that Have in the field. TSU 7000 amd 7500s
238 (Delivered and in service)

Pronto CCF Configurations Tsu 6000
107 (Have only replaced 10 of them recently as people upgraded.)

Pronto CCF Configurations TSU 2000s and 1000s They were all replaced with newer units over time.

Never did the 3000s and the 3500s as the color TSU6000 was a better choice untill the 7000s came out.

URC MX 850s
24

URC MX3000
2 (only one is still in the field... err the shop as the owner of the company uses it at home.)

Marantz RC 2000s... those were fun.. used to love that clone feature
Billing indicates I worked on 43 of them when they were out.

Sony AV2000
16 (all were replaced to either TSU 6000s or 7000s)

Started working with RTI a few months back but my boss is more comfortable selling Philips.

RTI T3s
8 (Personal favorite for personal use right now but I can not program them with the speed I can on ProntoEdit as I know that editor inside and out.)

RTI T1s
4 (All in the same house as they needed some real basic remotes for TV only on modulator in basement.)

RTI T4s
2 currently as I have deemed them inappropriate for delivery at this time. (Don't trust it yet. That software glitch for total lock up and no video yet. We also had high hopes of integration with the Digilinx systems we do. Still bummed about the flash and java lacks. But Buzz made it sound like they were working on something together.)

Thats all I can look up from here.

Springs,

Tell us how many Nevo SL's you have worked on and delivered to clients?

Dave

That would be 1 worked on...

0 Delivered to Clients.

Like you said... "either it works or it doesn't." It didn't work. I didn't feel it was something that I could give to a client and have it work day in and day out. Other posters have confirmed this again and again.

I don't Dave... there really is nothing I can say that would appease you is there?

From our prior conversations I really thought you were a decent guy who actually gave a damn. You seemed to care about your custoemrs and wanted to get thiings right for them. I thought you were the sort of person that I would like to hang with / exchange codes and what ever with. Heck when someone asked me about programing for a remote that was not near me I even told them to contact you.

I can see I made a grave error in my approximations of your character.

I point to post after post stating that the device still has issues and you jump all over me. You don't rebut what I am saying or even atempt to show how the issue is worked around or fixed. You start name calling. You call me names and insult me because I disagree with you? Im the petulant, sophmoric, childish... etc etc. Maybe you should take a look at what you have written here.

I come to Remote Central to chat with peers and hang with enthuisest. I reguraly submit codes and work arounds when I find them. I have sent people graphics if I had them and they requested. I also give an OPINION when asked. Because this is where I come when I need help I try to offer help. I think a good deal of my posts are actually ment to be helpfull... but we will get back to that some other time.

Then you say that I am not an expert. You ask me flat out how many remotes I have programmed.

The answer was in the 100's. What you want from me? Does doing a ton of remotes make someone an Expert? What if I did a really bad job on every remote I did. Do I still get expert status because of volume... I don't think so.

What if I only do a few and just do a fantastic job? (Which is what I try to do on every remote I do actually.) Expert status then?

What would make me an expert???
Taking home pieces and testing them before we use them? I do that.
Hunting down possible glitches and fixes? I do that.
Having a lot of remotes in the field that "just work". I have that too.
Knowing all the weird defaults that popup on the gear we work with? Yeah I read the manuals and try the things again and again. When I know its going to do what I need or expect it to do then we move it into the list of items we will use in our installs.

Why do the above... to try to provide the best control and use of the system that I can.

I guess I could resort to childness and NAH NAHN HANHAN NAA noises. But Dave I am seriously hoping that you were just in a bad mood about something else.

I am a decent guy and I a very passionate about my clients. I am usually quite professional and calm but you are really irritating, in this forum. I read all of your posts elsewhere and you usually add some value.

I was trying to make a point and I think that point has been made. You have ZERO experience with the product. Yet, you are the first one to reply to posts, bad-mouthing Nevo. Why is that? What is your problem?

Did they harm you or your family? It certainly seems like they did because that is how you respond, vindictively and with an obvious grudge. You don't just inform, you find it necessary to grind them, berate them and you just keep twisting the knife.

You act like it is your duty to inform. It is like you live for the opportunity to jump and bash Nevo, every chance you get. It is getting really old…

The only experience you have with the Nevo is reading others posts and playing Paul Revere. That is not adding value, that is subtracting value.

Why don't you hang out in the Pronto NG forum and add some value over there because you are not adding any value here. You are an accomplished programmer and you could be doing good things. Bashing Nevo every chance you get is not doing a good thing.

I have nothing against you personally and I would like to continue to interact with you. But you need to bury the hatchet and spend the effort doing something positive.

Dave

Hi Tracktoys,

Sorry for the mess in here. I will respond to your questions:


The wi-fi can work very nicely when you have a dedicated wap for the Nevo. Use one of the models Nevo SL suggests and make the recommended wap settings they suggest. It will respond well on good network.


Not at this time.


NevoStudio is probably the best editor on the market right now. Period. I use them all and would take NevoStudio over any of them.


I would say that the wi-fi part is the only touchy area. I have had many work great and many work not so great. The only common element is the client network, in my opinion. Otherwise, it is the nicest remote under $1000. Classy, nicely designed, ergonomically very pleasing, very flexible programming.


I assume you mean addressable? Usually not a big issue with equipment which has good discrete codes for most functions. Otherwise, I can't comment on future stuff.



$800


I think UPnP is still a bit infant. Lots of component manufacturers are not following the spec properly. It will work with Escient and a few others. Again, this is network-dependent. The NevoMedia player needs an upgrade. It is pretty basic and could use some additional features. It works pretty well with a PC as well.



Can you elaborate a bit on this?


They make great stuff and it is very solid on RF. Of course it can be around 2-3x the price of the Nevo SL.

Hope this helps...Dave

Dave,

How would I not take offence to all this?

You have resorted to not much more than personal attacks in 2 threads.

I know you were waiting to jump all over me and say I didn't program enough remotes to be an expert... but I guess / hope I passed that test by shear numbers.

There are 2 other guys in this thread who state the piece is not a ready for prime time. I don't see you attacking them. Is Jim an idiot because he doesn't use the remote? How about lalartu? Dumb and inexperianced too? Now treated them with some measure of respect or at least said nothing.

You said that you don't agree but I am the stupid, inexperianced, sophmoric, name your gripe person.

You have yet to appologise for ONE PERSONAL ATTACK. I have remained very cool about this whole thing and have not said one nasty thing to, or about you.

I can say I am extermely disappointed. I also can't believe that you would actually talk to someone the way you posted about me. In all seriousness if you talked like that to my face I might hear you out. But some people would knock your teeth down your throat.

Now I know some people are internet tough guys. Really easy to say nasty things to people when they can't reach right out and do something too you. But I don't feel that any of it was nessesary. And that one guy is right.. you pissed all over his thread. You attacked me for no good reason. Well then again Nevo seems to be a big part of your website so perhaps that is reason enough.

I do find it odd that Nevo supporters can't seem to defend the product or even fix it. But they sure can say nasty things to people that civilized people don't dare say to one another. You know... I don't even think things like you typed about me.

"How about answering these few simple questions (if you can)?" I am perfectly capeable of answering questions to the best of my abilites and knowledge.

"So, answer the questions I posted and let's see exactly where you expertise lies." Is the number of remotes I have done passing of that test there?

"When you can demonstrate your ability with proven client installations, than I and others may listen to you. Other than that, I will find the time to dis-credit all of your stupid posts." How can you say your are not a vendicitve person when you say things like this? Since I have done all those remotes Am I worth listening too? Apperantly not in your eyes.

"If you are such a subject-matter expert on remotes, how about answering these questions" Some would say I am something of an expert due to years spent and results achieved.

"You are an accomplished programmer and you could be doing good things."
That is the only polite thing you have said since this started.

"I bow in your presence...."
Couldn't do it could you. Couldn't leave on a decent note or tone.

"I have nothing against you personally and I would like to continue to interact with you." You could talk to me or about me or anyone the way you did and claim its not personal. Seems like you have a lot against me personally. At least I hope you do, I mean I would hate to think you just talk to people like that...

The real thing that erks me about it all is you leave those statements just out there. You have not resended a single one.

Why would it be personal?

I am not even going to continue this conversation in these threads. I posted a new thread. Let's take it there so we don't bother everyone else.