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Post 16 made on Wednesday June 21, 2006 at 09:37
Jazzbo
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Post 17 made on Friday June 30, 2006 at 10:31
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More to the point, what do the Chinese call "Chinese Food" ? Food, of course! :)
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Post 18 made on Wednesday July 5, 2006 at 12:56
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Post 19 made on Friday July 7, 2006 at 10:17
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On June 9, 2006 at 10:33, scoop city said...
what about watching the NBA finals .....basketball,
a Canadian invented game.... oh and World Series.........baseball,
another game invented by a Canadian..... and
the kicker, watching the Super Bowl ......football,
another game invented by some Canuck!

Sounds like the Canadian school system is writing their own history books! Basketball is the only one I'm going to give you credit for, ehh.

From wikipedia:
The distinct evolution of baseball from among the various bat-and-ball games is difficult to pin down. However, it is mainly agreed that modern baseball is an American development from earlier British games, such as rounders, with possible influences from cricket.

The earliest known mention of the sport is in a 1744 British publication, A Little Pretty Pocket-Book by John Newbery. It contains a wood-cut illustration of boys playing "base-ball" (showing a similar set-up to the modern game, yet significantly different) and a rhymed description of the sport.

AND AS FOR FOOTBALL (also from wikipedia)
By the early 19th century, North American schools and universities played their own local games, between sides made up of students. By the 1820s, a game known as Ballown was being played at the College of New Jersey (later known as Princeton University) and Old Division Football was being played at Dartmouth College, New Hampshire. In 1827, a Harvard University student composed a humorous epic poem called The Battle of the Delta, one of the first accounts of football in American universities.

The first documented football match in Canada was a game played at University College, University of Toronto on November 9, 1861. A football club was formed at the university soon afterwards, although its rules of play at this stage are unclear: it is not known whether they played a kicking or handling game, or both, and its members mostly played against each other.
Post 20 made on Saturday July 8, 2006 at 14:02
Anthony
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You do know anyone can write anything in wikipedia.

Basketball is easy, it was a new idea that came recently from one person. It was borne with the rules and they have not changed much since then.


Football is extremely hard, especially when we look at the world. If we limit ourselves to the UK. back in the day many played a game with a ball that involved some holding and running and some kicking. In the UK at the time all Universities played with different rules, eventually a bunch of them thought it would be fun to have inter University games and so decided to create uniform rules. That sport was called association foot ball, in Rugby they decided not to join and make their own rules (much more ball holding) and that became known as rugby football. Eventually in the UK Rugby foot ball became just Rugby and association football became known as soccer or football. What does this have to do with NA football that is neither of these. It got born at the same time kind of the same way. That same football with regional rules in the UK was being played in all ex British colonies. It eventually became Soccer, Rugby Canadian football and American football. Who invented Football (what we call Football) makes no sense, because no one can say who and when they played football and when it became Football.

The same is true for baseball.
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Post 21 made on Sunday July 9, 2006 at 00:13
remoteshoppe
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there is a common misconception about wikipedia. yes, anyone can contribute but because of the uncorroborated or false information is quickly countered by others or even pulled.

I agree with everything you said about not being ble to pin down the exact origin of either sport. That why I didn't say "THEY WERE INVENTED IN THE US." I just said I wasn't going to give the credit to our northern neighbors.
Post 22 made on Sunday July 9, 2006 at 02:14
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I was just looking through a 1962 edition of the Encyclopaedia Brittanica (don't ask why I have it hanging around) for an "older" point of view on baseball, and it goes through this whole commission appointed by (who else) National league presidents and players in 1908 to prove that baseball was "a distinctly American sport [that] had no connection with rounders or any other foreign game".

However, it then goes through disproving the report and starts off with "A Little Pretty Pocket-Book" as the oldest known reference to something very much like today's baseball, then spends pages talking about various other games with similar rules between then and the 1839 so-called "invention" by Doubleday.

Football (or any game where each of two teams try to kick, carry or force a round or oval ball through a goal or across a goal line defended by the opposite team) go back to ancient Rome. And the ball was typically an inflated animal organ. Nothing new under the sun there. :-)
Post 23 made on Sunday July 9, 2006 at 07:26
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On July 9, 2006 at 02:14, Daniel Tonks said...
I was just looking through a 1962 edition of the
Encyclopaedia Brittanica (don't ask why I have
it hanging around) for an "older" point of view
on baseball, and it goes through this whole commission
appointed by (who else) National league presidents
and players in 1908 to prove that baseball was
"a distinctly American sport [that] had no connection
with rounders or any other foreign game".

However, it then goes through disproving the report
and starts off with "A Little Pretty Pocket-Book"
as the oldest known reference to something very
much like today's baseball, then spends pages
talking about various other games with similar
rules between then and the 1839 so-called "invention"
by Doubleday.

So which do you go with - the creationist or evolutionary theory?
Post 24 made on Sunday July 9, 2006 at 22:07
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lol
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