Wow, just wow


Perhaps we don't leave the H forums, because we don't like to be gang-raped by the likes of you at the sligthest mention of the H word. Hell, even Mr.Stanley has been slapped for making a "not bad" comment referred to the H One.

On a more serious note, I frequently visit the CI forum, there's always something new to learn (the Who owns the code topic was quite interesting) and, on ocassion, something to laugh at, like the customers topics.


You DO love to believe every H owner doesn't know better. Touch screen remotes discarded (I hate them), I'd like to try the MX-880 or the MX-980. However, even without software restrictions or availability issues in Europe, there's only so much I could justify spending on an universal remote. This doesn't make me an idiot/ignorant, on the contrary, I know perfectly what I'm getting and what I'm missing (RC excellent reviews are a must)



You don't get along very well with them because you don't post in the H forum to help. Classical example, the H one rattle topic, you correctly answered it was the metal ball sensor, but you couldn't restrain yourself making a pointless build quality comment.

IMHO.

From that thread...:


That's my other beef with Harmony regs in that forum...no one can take a joke. When taken in the worst case, it may bruise their ego.

I don't get along with some harmony regs because they hate the fact I point out how they are blind to reality, and contradict them when they push what they own regardless of it's the best advice or not. Surf the threads I've been involved in and you can see for yourself.

IMHO, amorenod is completely on the mark. When it comes to the Harmony, the comments by smokinghot and some others are usually nothing short of bizarre. Ditto the AVS forum. I own both a Pronto and a Harmony - both have their place and some family members prefer one whilst others prefer the other. I also frequent both this forum (obviously!) and AVS and, again, both have their uses.

Can't ever remember saying that a Harmony (of any kind) didn't have it's place.

Once again for the reading impared.... "I don't have a problem with Harmony. I have a problem with the fanboys who push Harmony as the best there is, and thereby misleading the unimformed, when clearly it's not...even within it's price point"

....and for the record. I've helped many on this site, and some within the Harmony forum. Some choose not to see that fact because it doesn't fit their argument. I've never attacked or belittled anyone within the Harmony forum, as I have often been.

(I think I told akirby to take his head of his ass once. However he really had no clue what he was taking about and was just trying to be argumentative about something)

If nothing else I should be commended for bringing some of the Harmony lurkers into the fold of the rest of this great site. Maybe they will continue to contribute in some meaning fashion. Because I can guarantee you'll never convince anyone outside of the harmony forum, (and those looking for handouts of illegal SW) that I'm anything other than helpful.

Welcome to RC guys....

Typical Harmony owner.........



Harmony's award winning marketing strategy.........

Believe me, I have no desire to antagonise you, I might even admit I was slightly overstating my case with you, but forgive me if I find the quoted bit somewhat arrogant & unhelpful to the matter (except the "great site" remark, no complains from me)

Have a nice day

I don't have a problem with Harmony.


... these pieces of garbage ...

Smokinghot said:

And I don't have anymore of a problem with a Harmony, than the half eaten sandwich that I threw out the other day.

What's your point..?

Geez I hope it was lousy, coz there would be no way I'd throw one away. Never get between me and food :)

I have never seen a Harmony remote, but I get the idea that it is rather limited in what it can do. If that is correct, it may be one big reason that it is popular.

A lot of people don't like to learn new things by the time they reach middle age and older people are usually much worse. Heavens forbid they should ever have to read a manual.

I like to help people, but I try to avoid folks who are learning to use a computer unless they are 25 years younger than I am.

Often the dumbed down device is the one that many people prefer - That's what I think.

Actually, the Harmony does quite a lot. I think one big reason that it is popular is that you can just go into a local store and buy it, whereas a lot of other remotes (at least in my country) seem to be difficult to buy unless you also buy 'custom installation' services.

It does do a fair amount... However, I believe the major reason it's so popular is exactly the same reason why LCD out sells plasma in the flat panel market.

It's all about marketing and what the "smart" kids in blue, tell joe six pack.

I have to agree with you here.

I have an account at just about every distribution place in town so i can pretty much pick up any remote i want. And.. if its something i cant get ..i can bug another guy in the trade for a favor.

This makes it easy for me to never use harmony. For everyone else though... what are your option? Really? If you want a PC programmable remote your already in hot water because the whole ride is going to be a nightmare unless you have a grand or more to spend.

Harmony was the first to market for the product they have to offer. Now that you can buy URC at BB you have a real option but unless URC does something better instead of just the same.. Harmony will continue to dominate IMO.

If URC offers a $199-250 consumer remote thats PC programmable and has onboard programming and has an optional base station with IR routing they will kick harmonys @ss out of the market.

FYI.. im talking about the hard button harmonys not the rediculous touchscreen 1000 model.

If you are doing only one room & don't need to run a second system and you don't mind having limited control of your system by all means use Harmony. You could get into an RTI M2 & RP-1 under 1K even with programming if you don't have too many peices of gear to program into it. Also, find a programmer if you are not an RTI dealer. Shouldn't take more than a few hours to program. 1 hr to pull your system apart to put emitters on gear. Install RP-1, program, download file. Done. I guarantee that it beats harmony by a long mile. The cool things about RTI & programmers of RTI is that the remotes can do just about anything. I'm integrating my irrigation system, security & lighting. It also controls more than 1 system in the house.

How are you coming up with the under $1K price point? M2 and RP1 are typically selling @ 600-800 for the pair. Labor including configuration is going to be $500 even if its a 1 room system with discrete commands for all products with everything wired correctly.

If you put in an M2 and a RP-1 for under $1k you will be working for free if you have to make a single service call.