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MX-810 "press and hold" PS3 powerdown?
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Post 1 made on April 1, 2008 at 16:18
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mpd2plus
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Hi, I'm trying to use MX-810 to automate a home theater that includes a Sony PS3 with IR2BT box (http://ir2bt.com/). The problem is powering down the PS3. In its infinite wisdom, Sony requires pressing the "PS" button for 3 seconds to bring up the powerdown dialog. I selected "Press and hold same button" from the power automation menu, but that doesn't have the desired effect - I guess the holding time is too short.

Does anyone know how long does MX-810 "hold" the power button when "Press and hold same button" is selected as a power down method? Is there any way to increase the holding time?

I know that MX-810 lacks parameters like "interkey delay" and "repeat count", only found in higher-end remotes like Harmony 880 and MX-3000, but would it be possible to imitate repeat by pasting multiple instances of the data burst pair in the "Hex Editor" field in the Universal Browser?

Thanks,

Mike.

Post 2 made on April 2, 2008 at 01:44
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On April 1, 2008 at 17:18, mpd2plus said...
I know that MX-810 lacks parameters like "interkey delay"
and "repeat count", only found in higher-end remotes like
Harmony 880 and MX-3000...

This is where I have an issue with URC's wizard. To me the MX-810 is HIGHER end than a Harmony 880/890. Things like interkey delay and the repeat counts SHOULD be in the MX-810 software.

Lemme know if you find an answer cause I have an IR2BT module coming tomorrow.

OP | Post 3 made on April 2, 2008 at 02:24
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On April 2, 2008 at 02:44, Chuck_IV said...
This is where I have an issue with URC's wizard. To me
the MX-810 is HIGHER end than a Harmony 880/890. Things
like interkey delay and the repeat counts SHOULD be in
the MX-810 software.

Agreed on all points. Calling the 880 "high end" was meant as a joke (it was April 1st after all :-)), but also as a preemptive response to URC's mantra: "MX-810 does what it is supposed to do, if you need more functionality, buy one of our high-end remotes". I wish the 810 was "supposed to do" at least as much as Harmony 890 - after all, it quite obviously goes after the same market, but from a different angle.

Post 4 made on April 3, 2008 at 11:52
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Here's how it works:

1. Create your PS3 device
2. Goto Main Menu / Tune Up / Solve Automated Activity Problems
3. Change Power Method for a component (SL068)
4. Choose PS3 Device (SL070)
5. Choose Separate DISCRETE ON and OFF commands (SL038 & SL039) READ: These slides carefully to choose the right button
6. Test ON/OFF automation - CLICK FAILED AUTOMATION TEST (SL040)
7. Click Press and Hold Same Button for the ON / OFF (SL042)
8. Now we can add the appropriate Press and hold time

You win some, you loose some...
OP | Post 5 made on April 3, 2008 at 18:27
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On April 3, 2008 at 12:52, remotejr said...
Here's how it works:

1. Create your PS3 device
2. Goto Main Menu / Tune Up / Solve Automated Activity
Problems
3. Change Power Method for a component (SL068)
4. Choose PS3 Device (SL070)
5. Choose Separate DISCRETE ON and OFF commands (SL038
& SL039) READ: These slides carefully to choose the right
button
6. Test ON/OFF automation - CLICK FAILED AUTOMATION TEST
(SL040)
7. Click Press and Hold Same Button for the ON / OFF (SL042)
8. Now we can add the appropriate Press and hold time


When I follow the steps you suggested, I arrive at a page that offers me to set the "Power On Delay" (SL040). That is a parameter that specifies how soon the device become controllable after the "power on" command is sent. What exactly is the text caption of the field where you can "add the appropriate Press and hold time"?

Thanks,

Mike.

Post 6 made on April 4, 2008 at 09:57
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On April 3, 2008 at 19:27, mpd2plus said...
When I follow the steps you suggested, I arrive at a page
that offers me to set the "Power On Delay" (SL040). That
is a parameter that specifies how soon the device become
controllable after the "power on" command is sent. What
exactly is the text caption of the field where you can
"add the appropriate Press and hold time"?

Thanks,

Mike.


You can't. The delay Remotejr is refering to, is not a button hold time. It is just a delay time, as to when it can start sending more commands/control the device.

As far as I can find, as of now, the way the software is written, there is no way to tell the remote to press and hold a button down, for a SPECIFIC amount of time. The Press and hold option has a fixed amountof time that it holds the button and it is not 3 seconds(I'm guessing it about 1-1.5 seconds max).

This is one of a few glaring weakness of the MX-810 software, especially when the harmony sofware can do this. While the MX-810 software is more advanced, in some areas(really only the browser portion), compared to the Harmony software, there are areas, that it is less advanced and flexible, which needs to be changed IMO.

Post 7 made on April 4, 2008 at 11:16
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On April 4, 2008 at 10:57, Chuck_IV said...
You can't. The delay Remotejr is refering to, is not a
button hold time. It is just a delay time, as to when
it can start sending more commands/control the device.

You are correct...I don't think this helps the OP.
Post 8 made on April 17, 2008 at 23:06
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Here's the hex for the actual command:

0000 0067 0000 0015 0060 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 01c6


I'm not skilled enough in manipulating Pronto Hex to reconfigure that string for 30+ repeats. If anyone else can, it might solve the problem.

Post 9 made on April 20, 2008 at 22:23
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I have a file that has the HEX repeated 30 times. You can try it. I'll email it if you like.

You can simply import from my WZR file and copy the button to see if it works.

Post 10 made on April 22, 2008 at 06:13
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Yes please email it to [email protected] Mine should be shipping next week. Although I have the other guys brand.
Post 11 made on April 26, 2008 at 11:11
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Thanks for sending it to me dsp, unfortunately, it didn't work (there's a delay between each sequence so it seems like it's 30 button presses as opposed to a continuous press).

For most things, ProWizard has a workaround, but this seems to be a more fundamental flaw.

Post 12 made on May 2, 2008 at 02:03
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On April 1, 2008 at 17:18, mpd2plus said...
Hi, I'm trying to use MX-810 to automate a home theater
that includes a Sony PS3 with IR2BT box (http://ir2bt.com/).
The problem is powering down the PS3. In its infinite
wisdom, Sony requires pressing the "PS" button for 3 seconds
to bring up the powerdown dialog. I selected "Press and
hold same button" from the power automation menu, but
that doesn't have the desired effect - I guess the holding
time is too short.

Does anyone know how long does MX-810 "hold" the power
button when "Press and hold same button" is selected as
a power down method? Is there any way to increase the
holding time?


I know that MX-810 lacks parameters like "interkey delay"
and "repeat count", only found in higher-end remotes like
Harmony 880 and MX-3000, but would it be possible to imitate
repeat by pasting multiple instances of the data burst
pair in the "Hex Editor" field in the Universal Browser?

Thanks,

Mike.


The press and hold feature does not work in the current version of ProWizard but there is a beta version out that has it working. I can email it though it is almost 82MB. where is the IR2BT available....the mainsite is out of stock?
Post 13 made on June 13, 2011 at 18:12
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I found a solution!!!

You must have a TV that supports HDMI controls, such as Samsung's with their "AnyNet" feature, or Sony with their "Bravia Sync" feature.

Enable control through HDMI from PS3's System Settings. Set your remote to turn off only the TV. The TV will take care of turning off the PS3 via a control signal through HDMI.

This does not work to turn ON the PS3, although it works the other way in both cases (PS3 will turn the TV on and off). But thats already a non issue using the MX-810 right?

Sony will tell you it only works with Sony Bravia tv's with the bravia sync feature. That is wrong. This is a standardized feature I believe, because whatever the rules are, the truth is it works with my Samsung TV, and its 4 years old.

Post 14 made on June 14, 2011 at 08:12
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Considering this thread is over 3 years old I think they probably have the problem solved.

Very first thing we do with all out systems is to turn OFF HDMI control.

"Quality isn't expensive, it's Priceless!"
Post 15 made on June 14, 2011 at 09:34
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It also only works with a PS3 Slim since the "Phat" doesn't include Bravia Sync.
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