Hi everyone, some of you may remember me as the arrogant S.O.B that was all over RTI some time ago, I made it my mission to be brutal with RTI due to the damage caused to my company in light of the many many failures. Back then I took some fire from you guys and from RTI .
One must know to be kind just as one was brutal when well deserved so I am here to say that in the last few months RTI has ( I hope ) really turned the corner and as a company that does hundreds of RTI remotes a year I can tell you most of it is GOOD!!!
The only sad part of this story is the ferocious fight I had with some RTI personal, that must hate my guts by now, and the second sad thing is that now that hopefully all is working, it is simply to late !!! What do I mean to late? RTI needs to get Iphone to work the XPs, I think you will find that is the direction thing are going. their is still place for all KPs. Perhaps a cool Idea would for RTI would be to build a module like a remote with no screen that the Ipod plugs into and turns it into a touch screen RTI, J. P. and K. don't tell me that's not a %5 commission kind of Idea… :)

Umm, did you even read my post?? Let me quote it again, the same thing you quoted, but see if you can get it this time.



So, just to be clear, I'm not saying the PMC2 is better than the XP8, but a Crestron Series 2, like a CP2E ( [Link: crestron.com] ) Is WAY more powerful in its overall ability than an XP8 and they both go for about the same price.



Well lets see, you can use the Prodigy PAMp and do up to 12 zones with 6 sources, BUT its also Crestron and open architecture, so it could take any decent Audio matrix that provides control and control easily 16 or more zones depending on the matrix. Also, any matrix that can provide feedback the prodigy system can utilize it. The limit that Prodigy does have is a maximum of 18 control interfaces, well maybe 24 if you use the lighting keypads as well:
6-PTX3's, 6-PTL4's, 6-Audio Keypads, 6 Lighting keypads. 1-iPhone/touch, 1-Xpanel

RTI can control the same matrices, however can only provide feedback from Autopatch and Vaux, currently.

This is where I point out that if you are doing more than 12 zones of audio and need more thatn 18 or so interface options, then Adagio will fit right it and can be very competitive to an RTI system at this price point.

As for being a fan boy, I love RTI. I have for a long time, however I don't get to sale very many XP8's, but I do sale a fair number of $1k theater room control system wiht 4-8 zones of DA (usually Niles ZR6 level). We are new Prodigy dealers, but the more I learn the more I Like. I was very excited when RTI first released there 2-way products (finally) and then quickly felt let down.

We are not full line Crestron dealers and just last month put in an XP8 system with some T2C remotes. RTI will always be my 2nd choice.

well Sofa king I think i'm sold on that Crestron prodigy. I never actually really paid much attention to it.. I think I probably should! Thanks for that by the way..

I don't understand what you are trying to say here, RTI can control pretty much any thing irregardless of size. I have some very large problem free systems that have been running for a few years now.

Sans the feed back from all but 3 switchers (you forgot B&K) RTI can control pretty much any switcher you like. As for the total number of external controls? With RTI this is pretty much unlimited.

Further the XP8 is expandable in 8 port increments.

So what exactly do you mean?

I wasn't saying what the XP8 couldn't do, but trying to show that the PMC2 could also. I know the XP8 is a great processor. The guy was suggesting that Prodigy was very limited on system size where an XP8 could do any large matrix, my point was that an Prodigy PMC2 could control a large matrix also, the issue being a limited number intefaces, however at that point an Adagio type system would be comparable in price to an XP8 and large Matrix.

The guy was saying that I was comparing the Prodigy PMC2 to an XP8, which I'm not. However the Crestron CP2E provides more capabilities than an XP8, I know you say its a lot of custom things that are rarely used, but the capability is there. Where as the XP8 is limited on 2-way control, not so much by hardware but software.

I know you say RTI is your bottom B**** and everything, but I can sense you b dropping her off for good once you become a fully crestron dealer lool
can tell prodigy really knocked your socks off lol

I think the XP-8 is going to "grow" over the next few years and become very powerful.  Like Cory said, it's not a hardware limitation, it's software.

Anyone else notice the "analog" labels above the sense input terminals??  Hmm...

For right now they are a tad behind the times.  That's not necessarily a bad thing.  We sold Denon for a while because they were so feature packed.  Then we had a bunch of equipment issues and switched to Marantz.  Marantz was nowhere near as feature packed (an in fact was a harder sell because it didn't do everything the Denons did) but guess what?  Zero equipment problems the whole time we sold them. 

I'd rather have a super-solid control system in another 1-2 years than rush and get something half-assed.  There's enough of that on the market.