Ok I know this has been hashed out somewhere on here, but our sales guy went cheap on me and sold a M2 and RP-1 to a client with existing gear and of course theres a Dang vizio 32" lcd...at least everything else is controllable.

Has anyone found discretes or work arounds for power and inputs??

I called vizio and they didnt know what i was talking about when I asked about hex codes...but they could give me the codes to control a sat box from the tv remote.

They did mention the codes were the same as a goldstar...WOOO HOOO....even better!!!

I hope this TV breaks before we have to install the gear

Dude I feel your pain, I have been turning down jobs left and right wherein the Vizio is the center of the universe, I dont care what else they are going to buy, I wont touch one of those dam things

Glack,

Check this thread I did last time I got stuck with Vizio.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

Inputs are on the remote, discret power is non existant to my knowledge. Had the unfortune of working with one. Good to be part of sales and design sometimes, the only sales puke I can get mad at is me.

If inputs are in the remote as Roddy said, use power sensing for the power. I found myself, using more and more power sensing, even with gear with discrete power codes to make the macros shorter and more reliable than using flags.

Why would you be using a flag or power sense if a device has discrete codes?

How long do you want your macros to be? Mime are really fast when they execute. So when I go from one source to the other I only need to send the input command. Why; because I know that the TV is already on and I know that the receiver and the sources are already on. So I don't need to send the Power On command for every piece and wait x amount of time to send the input commands. That's why the two way communication is the ideal way to go, because you will know the exact status of every equipment and which command you need to send to execute a determined action. Of course this is assuming that all your gear has RS-232 two way protocol. But at this moment this is not possible with RTI yet.

Thanks for the advice guys, I will see if we can add a sensor to the TV to make it work right, if not I will do a page link to a TV power page...TV on or TV off questions

Inputs look doable..just a longer macro now...no biggie there....hold them on the Hourglass page longer...if they complain I'll explain its due to the poor choice in a display

But if you use a power sense mod. then you need to put a flasher on the TV right?

How else are you going to control the TV? I hope your not going to depend on the customer to hold the remote pointed at the tv while the macro fires off all it's commands.

I also use flags even with discrete Power On and include a 3 second delay (because Denon Receivers won't accept an input command for that period), makes for far quicker input changes.

Thats not exactly true. WIth RS232 I can change inputs on the receiver after only 2 seconds. I use that timing in all my Denon macros (which is 85% of my RTI systems)

I also use flags though. This, in my opinion is an "issue" with Denon receivers. A CI-"friendly" line I can see no reason why a receiver can't have Discrete input commands, that ALSO turn on the receiver (ie one touch to power up and set to correct input), and if the receiver is already on, and on same input, and in same surround mode as you request via RS232, there should be no break in the action.

HK receivers turn on with an input press (if I remember correctly).
And I know that Pioneer Elite receivers don't "resync" if same input is reselected.

The are some things I LOVE about the new Denons, and I like the line overall.... but this small issue seems like such an obvious one to anyone who installs their receivers with a programmed remote. Next Year!

I don't mind the seperate need for on then the input command on the marantz units. Compared to the Harmons where they have odd ball surround settings with no discretes to fix it.

But unlike Denon I can send the Marantz the same input command several times and it doesn't drop the sound and image for several seconds. Discrete access to all surround modes...

Macros look like this
On Marantz
Delay .1
DVD Marantz
something else like TV input
DPL II Movie Marantz(It will flip to DD or dts on its own)
Something like power on for DVD
Delay .1
DVD
Delay .1
DPLII Movie

If the receiver is on, the input jumps almost instantly. If the receiver is off the repeats of the codes later in the macro get teh unit to the right input and sound field.
BTW there is no .3 between codes.

Integra turns on with the press of the input and doesn't resync either. The amount of clean power in the new DTR 7.8 is impressive.

There's only a couple of IR commands coming out of the remote with an RP-1 in the setup, and that's TV Power On and then its input selection. I can't get my customers to relax and NOT hold the remote up and point very carefully at the TV, even when they're changing CDs and adjusting the receiver volume!


I'm used to using Yamahas and always wondered why Denons blank out...or is it some other brand...when a macro reselects the input it's already on. I'm talking about via IR. I'm amazed that a product as sophisticated as having RS232 will blink with a repeated command.