Did a search and found no mention of Zenith HD, Have learned a few main buttons but would like the numbers in it but now out of memory!

Wes

It's JP1 time. There is no built in setup code for the Zenith HD STB's.

Thanks for the reply, No JP1 for here. I set up remotes for friends and out at thier house I don't have the option to do it. So learning it is!

Wes

If you're going to rely on learning, then you shouldn't go around suggesting RS 2103 remotes. Of any UEI remote it has the smallest learning memory, about half of what all other UEI remotes have.

You're making a mistake ignoring JP1.

edmond, If you read that post you would have seen this "- At least a few learning keys (to control Lutron Dimmers)"
Twenty learning buttons should work just fine do'nt you think!

The radio shack is a great remote for him, there was nothing in his post that the RS would not do!

Over the past year or so I have programmed around 50 or so R.S. and O.F.A. remotes for people. Out at peoples houses I would not have the capabilities to sit down at a computer set it all up and go back and forth to the equipment I am programming for. Twenty or so learning buttons along with advanced codes and button copying usually does the trick. In the past I have come here for advanced code help and have appreciated the help I received but hate being attacked about JP1 every time.

Great you guys love JP1 I'm glad, I need to do this with out relying on JP1 for now.

Thanks for the Help once again!

Wes

Wes, I'm sorry that you consider us suggesting JP1 being an "attack". Those of us that answer hundreds of questions here don't keep a mental note of all the user ids of the people we help, so there's no way that we would know that you have an issue with JP1.

The reason people keep recommending it to you is because it's the best answer for your situation. If you chose to consider us presenting you with the best answer each time as an attack, wouldn't you agree that that's really YOUR problem, not ours.

I dread to think how much work you put into programming these remotes for people, and I do have a good idea how much effort it is because I used to do it too back before JP1.

In this modern day & age, someone doing what you do would load up the JP1 software onto their laptop and take that along with them for these programming trips. You obviously have PC access on these trips as you say you need to come here to get advanced codes, so rather than posting requests for advanced codes, all you would need to do is download a ready made upgrade file from the JP1 file section.

All in all it would be so much easier and you would be able to make your friends remotes do so much more than you're able to do now. But hey, if you enjoy doing it the hard way, who are we to judge you.

At any rate, I have now made a note of the name "Wes" and will try to remember to avoid offering any JP1 assistance in the future, and hopefully the other experts here will do the same.

Rob I appreciate your help and advise, but I don't have a laptop and don't use their computer to ask for advance codes as sometimes it's a day or two before I get a response.

I'm sorry I snapped at you, I don't mean to be an ass! It's just I ask a simple question about an advance code and with out fail I get replies that I'm crazy if I don't go JP1.

I do not do programming professionally, I just do it for friends and relatives.I used to charge a DVD to do it but latly I have just been doing it for free.

Rob your site has been a great help in the past, the last thing I want is to be black balled from your knowledge and information.

Edmonds reply set me off, I was not saying it was a mistake to run an OFA, I included an "IMHO" in my post. It's my opinion that the R.S. remotes are better laid out and fit my hand better. Whish they would have kept the soft feel the 19-1994 has. I noticed even your design of the perfect remote is a R.S. body!

I was not aware that the any of the O.F.A. remotes had a larger Learning memory then the Radio Shack. How much more in the way of buttons? I think I can get around 26 or so with my 19-1994.

Wes

This message was edited by Wes on 10/25/04 21:03 ET.

Wes, in this thread you didn't ask for an advanced code, you asked about a Zenith HD STB, and unfortunately there isn't a built in setup code available for these, which means JP1 is the only way to adequately get it programmed into a remote. So the only alternative to informing you of that is to ignore your post completely. Which would you rather we do (given that most of the time we don't remember who the poster is)?

As for the amount of learning memory, it isn't a matter of RS vs. OFA, it's a matter of the 15-2103 vs. the rest. For some reason, they did some special programming for this remote to only give it half the learning memory of regular remotes. So if your 15-1994 can hold about 20 to 25 buttons, the 15-2103 can hold about 10 to 12, which I think you'll agree is too small for almost everyone's needs.

OK now, this is my last JP1 message to you (I promise), but you should at least look into it. Given that there are many occassions where you have to post messages like the original one in this thread where you can't find a setup code, or need advanced codes, etc, what you should do is bring your friends remote home with you, program in the stuff he needs, then return it to him to test it out. You could limit this to just those occassions where there isn't a built in code for one or more of his devices.

Your total cost would be $14 for a ready made JP1 cable!

Quote- "So if your 15-1994 can hold about 20 to 25 buttons, the 15-2103 can hold about 10 to 12, which I think you'll agree is too small for almost everyone's needs."

I have not counted learned buttons on the 15-2103, I have programmed about 8 or so and have not had big a problem with its smaller memory using advanced codes and button copying.
An advanced code for my friend's HD receiver would have made it nice but I have learned most of what he needs with just learning. I have programmed several DVD/VCR combo which I always dread and have still been fine with the 15-1203. So I can't 100% agree with you that the memory is too small for everyone’s needs as you wish me to. Sure more memory would be good.
I have not looked too hard into JP1 for the previously posted reasons. To be honest it sounds intimidating to me.
Now I don't think the 15-1203 will accept JP1 will it. Which forces me to use the OFA correct?
Is the $19. OFA at Wal-Mart JP1 ready? What software do you use and where to get it? I'm sure some of the time JP1 could make things easier if I knew ahead of time that the standard and advanced codes will not work.

Just don't hate me for not using JP1, I also try to teach these people how to program their remotes knowing most will not even understand it.


Wes

The KeyMove (button copying/advanced code) memory is seperate from the learning memory. I don't think the 2103 has less than normal KeyMove memory, just less than normal learning memory.


I'm surprised that fit. IR protocols vary quite a lot in the amount of learning memory they need, so there are some protocols in which you could learn all the keys of a reasonable size original remote onto the 2103. But typically you couldn't.


It requires serious internal modifications. A few people have done so, but I can't believe it's really worth the effort.


I use the 15-2104, which is JP1 ready and has the normal memory capacity (not the half size memory of the 15-2103). Some reported buying a 15-2104 at RS just a few days ago, so there was at least one RS that had one that long after it was discontinued. But most RS stores ran out long ago.

There are also 15-2116 and 15-2117 that are JP1 ready with normal memory.


Yes. The urc-8810w at Walmart is JP1 ready and usually is the best choice for a JP1 remote.


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