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OP | Post 46 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 07:07
revwillie
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On 10/30/02 21:46.19, TransAmMan said...
nice. Also would like dedicated PIP channel up/down
keys. Right now I plan to use freeze/move for
that function and shift the regular functions
on those keys.

Me too. I set up surround and guide on the 1994 to do this but only in the TV mode. I guess that would be scan and exit on the 2116. I also use PIP size and PIP scan for which you rarely see real keys.

PS. I would also love to give GM an apology for
canceling the Camaro/TransAm but until they come
up with a replacement...F'em. :)

....and diesel engines in SUVs. How can anyone afford to fill up the gas tank in a tahoe or suburban these days?
Post 47 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 08:19
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Played around with the 2116 some more and have some additional comments:

1) Memory capacity is about the same as 15-1994. I don't think that this was a surprise but more would have been nice. Same amount of mem for learning and upgrades, keymove/macro mem slightly smaller (maybe 1 less keymove possible).

2) Much larger code library; many current upgrades will not be required.

3) Used IR.exe to upload and download configurations. All seemed to work well, but I did find one bug. Trying to set the arrow keys for my DVD player (DVD 0525) to the functions I want resulted in something strange. On the Keymove menu, select the device and button, OK, then double click the desired device and enter the EFC. When double clicking the DVD button, and saying OK to the dialog box, the device that actually enters is device db-11 instead of device DVD. (FYI, there are 8 devices and 8? virtual devices, labeled db-8 through db-?, on the General tab, what these are I do not know, hopefully someone can explain.) My db-11 device button was also programed as a DVD 0525 and changing the code took care of the problem. Those programmed keys didn't seem to work, however, then it was time for bed. Maybe I did something wrong. Will try again tonight.

4) Set a macro on the power key but its a global macro, so control of individual devices was lost. I know other remotes like the millenium4 allowed you to put a macro on the power key while switching to another device let the power key control its function. Still working this one also.

Thanks to all for the help over the years so I can now give a little back.
Post 48 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 08:32
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I haven't checked this yet with the 15-2116, but most new remotes are using a 2-byte protocol for the Pioneer DVD codes now, so advanced codes will no longer work.

To program a key move for this using IR, fire up KM and select "Pioneer DVD2", then enter your EFCs, and let KM convert them to hex for you. then program the keymove using IR, but select the HEX otion and enter the hex value from KM.

Rob
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Post 49 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 08:59
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On 10/31/02 08:19.20, TransAmMan said...
3) Used IR.exe . . . but I did find one bug. . . .
On the Keymove menu, . . . When double
clicking the DVD button, and saying OK to the
dialog box, the device that actually enters is
device db-11 instead of device DVD.

There is no actual content represented by the "Device Button" field of a key move in IR. It is there just for your convenience in case you don't remember which device button you have a given setup code on.
In case you have the same setup code (including Type) on two different Device buttons, it has no place to remember which (if either) you used when selecting that setup code. All it can do is pick one. I'm rather surprised that it didn't pick the first one. I might even call it a bug (but it's not my program).
Post 50 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 09:15
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Would i be able to take my 1994 dump and just download it into this new remote?
Post 51 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 09:26
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No.

Keymoves and macros start in a different place within eeprom and the keycodes in them are different.

Upgrades start in the same place but are encoded slightly differently.

Learned signals are encoded the same but are positioned differently by one byte.

There are several other significant difference, but the above ones are plenty to kill every significant aspect of the process.

(Well actually Yes, you can download your 1994 dump into it after ignoring the warning from IR. You just can't accomplish anything useful by doing so.)
Post 52 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 09:37
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On 10/31/02 08:19.20, TransAmMan said...
4) Set a macro on the power key but its a global
macro, so control of individual devices was lost.
I know other remotes like the millenium4 allowed
you to put a macro on the power key while switching
to another device let the power key control its
function. Still working this one also.

I didn't initially understand what you want (I might not now). I think I know the Millenium4 feature you mean and doubt that anything like it is on the 2116; But if you just want to include individual power functions within a power macro, I think you can just do so by using the power key within the power macro. If instead what you want is a DSM (device specific macro) I've already exchanged with Rob enough data and analysis for either of us to update the DSM protocols (and other similar things) to support the 15-2116. We just haven't gotten around to actually doing it yet. (Of course DSM requires JP1 to install it).
Post 53 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 11:00
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Thanks Rob,
I'll try the 2byte protocol and hex values from KM tonight. How do the virtual devices work and how can they be accessed.

Thanks johnsfine,
I'm also surprised the keymove didn't pick the first one, but as you indicated, it appears to be a non-disruptive behavior. And yes, I was looking for a DSM for the 2116 like the Millenium4. Since programming the power key with a macro becomes global, you can't turn on individual devices anymore. Interestingly enough, the manual states that a macro on a power key would be carried over to "My System" mode, but it doesn't. How does IR differentiate DSMs from Global Macros? Importing the Millenium4 settings shows the macro on the power key but "how-do-it-know" which device its located on. Just curious.
Post 54 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 11:33
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What you're seeing in the Millenium4 is something different from what we call DSM. The Millenium4 just doesn't do macros the way other UEI remotes do.

IR doesn't know what a DSM is (Have I mentioned lately that this is one of the things I would add if someone rewrote IR in C++). Without that sort of support from IR, there a several approaches to doing DSMs. The main one is:

1) Put the (global) macro you want on a phantom key.
2) Install a special protocol (needs a device upgrade and protocol upgrade) that lets a key move launch a macro.
3) On a real key of the desired device define the key move to launch the macro on the phantom key.

One of the experts must update the protocol upgrade (for step 2) with 15-2116 support. Then you install the two upgrades and the key move and the macro. IR doesn't even know that macro relates to that key move.
Post 55 made on Thursday October 31, 2002 at 11:39
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On 10/31/02 11:00.20, TransAmMan said...
Interestingly enough, the manual states
that a macro on a power key would be carried over
to "My System" mode, but it doesn't.

I assume the power and fav keys simply don't work at all in "My System" mode (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm surprised to hear the manual states otherwise. That is the sort of stupid restriction I meant earlier in pointing out the disadvantages of not having an extender.
Post 56 made on Saturday November 2, 2002 at 09:58
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As an owner of a dying 1994 (buttons barely working), I have been looking at this thread but I really like my macro keys!
I know that just about any button can be assigned a macro but I am looking for INTUITIVE ie anyone else can figure out how to use the remote.

How does the new 2116 deal with macros - the new "My system" button looks like it may be part of the answer.

E.G how would I activate ( not program) a macro to configure audio and video for DVD

Thanks


Bill
Post 57 made on Saturday November 2, 2002 at 14:59
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Just for fun I tried programming macros on the device keys using JP1. I started out with the "My System" key to program a macro to start up and configure my entire system. And it worked fine. Then I tried all the other device keys. They also allow you to program macros on them. I am using the shifted device keys but I also tried the non-shifted and they work great. I thought that the 15-1994 needed an extender to acomplish this but never followed up since the 1994 had 1s-4s.

To the real experts,
Can I keymove a device key to the shifted device key and then install a macro on that same device key. (example: copy DVD to Shift-DVD and then put a macro on DVD to power up the DVD and config the system.)

Mr Bill,
I don't know what you mean by activating instead of programming but if you are asking wheather you can program any device keys without JP1 the answer is no. The onscreen menu will not let you program those keys.


Post 58 made on Saturday November 2, 2002 at 16:33
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TransAm,
Regular button work in both normal and shifted modes, until you re-program one or the other with keymoves, etc. For example, if you program a keymove onto the PLAY button, you can still get to the original PLAY function by hitting shift-PLAY.

So, I would imagine that this is also true of the device buttons. So, try programming a macro onto DVD, and I would expect that shift-DVD will still work the way you wish.

Rob
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Post 59 made on Saturday November 2, 2002 at 18:03
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Re "Activating" vs "programming", I was looking for examples of which buttons are typically used to run macros when you don't have Smart Keys.

RoboMan pointed out that Shift can be used for an alternate use of a key.

What about the new "My System" - is that also a modifier like SHIFT (an ALT key) or just another button?
OP | Post 60 made on Saturday November 2, 2002 at 20:50
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Isn't "my system" the new "home theater" key?
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