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Post 76 made on Tuesday November 5, 2002 at 16:08
culp4684
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Two (related) questions about the 15-2116:

1.Can I program it to replace some of intricate functions on my Sony CD player such as changing the way the time is displayed? (ie., elapsed track time/remaining track time/total remnaining time)

2.Can I use it to program two separate VCR for time shifting?
Post 77 made on Tuesday November 5, 2002 at 16:15
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If the vcr's are JVC's, a no. They took out the b-code,vcr008.
Post 78 made on Tuesday November 5, 2002 at 16:35
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Thanks. I should have given a little more information:

TV: Panasonic CT-27D
VCR#1: Sony SL-HF2000 superbeta (yes, i still have a beta!)
VCR#2: JVC HR-S2901U
CD Changer: Sony CDP-CE375
MD Deck: Sony MDS-JE520

I also have a Pioneer Elite A-35R Integrated Amp. Since this unit has no power switch on its supplied remote, I'm assuming that there is no way to power on/off from any remote. I would like to be able to adjust the volume and input sources, though.

This is a system for my bedroom. I already have a 15-1994 for my home theater setup that I am leaving alone. If I change anything on it, my family would shoot me...
Post 79 made on Tuesday November 5, 2002 at 16:46
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I don't know if it as a code for a MD player, you could always teach it to it. The rest I don't see any problems.
Post 80 made on Tuesday November 5, 2002 at 17:20
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Anyone know yet if the method for programming advanced codes on the 2116 is the same as the 1995? I guess I can just try it tonight and find out - hopefully not screwing anything up in the process....
Post 81 made on Tuesday November 5, 2002 at 18:36
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OK - I played around for a bit and got the advanced code setup working on the 2116. The process for testing a code is the same as the 1995:

- Press the device key
- Press the 'P' key (don't hold it)
- Enter the 3 digit code
- Check for a response from your equipment

The process for programming a code is a bit different:

- Press the device key
- Press and hold the 'P' key until the display reads 'CODE SET'
- Scroll down to 'KEYMOVER'
- Press SELECT
- Screen reads 'FROM MODE'
- Press the device key
- Screen reads 'FROM KEY'
- Press the 'P' key (don't hold it)
- Display reads 'SYNT'
- Enter the 3 digit code and press SELECT
- Display reads 'TO MODE'
- Press the device key
- Display reads 'TO KEY'
- Press the target key
- Display reads 'SUCCESS'
Post 82 made on Tuesday November 5, 2002 at 18:41
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From Don - Yahoo JP1 Remote Control Group:

Since the 2116 has a LCD screen it does not use the 994 sequence for keymoves.

The keymove procedure is pretty well documented in the RadioShack manual, although it does not mention programming EFCs, the 2116 accepts it. When the display asks for the From Key, press "P". The display will say "SYNT", enter the 3 digit EFC and press Select.
The remainder of the procedure is as the manual states ('To mode', 'To key').
Post 83 made on Wednesday November 6, 2002 at 23:32
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I have a home producer 8(8090).
I just got my JP1 cable on Monday, and started playing with it.
Is this new 2116 a better remote.
What is the difference between this remote and mine(besides the RF).
If it is a better remtoe I will get one, before I spend a lot of time reprograming my 8090
Post 84 made on Wednesday November 6, 2002 at 23:52
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Yes, it's a better remote than the 8090. Its simpler to use, it has a bigger library of codes, it is a learning remote. The thinner case is more comfortable to grasp. Go for it.
Post 85 made on Thursday November 7, 2002 at 09:06
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Will advance codes for the 1994 work with the 2116?

They don't seem to. I guess RS changes all the codes for the new remote.

Does anyone know a place to get codes that will work with the 2116?

Also I have a TiVo and on the 1994 I added a device. Can I use this device in the 2116 or will it need modification. Does anyone know what built in code, if any, to use to control a Sony TiVo?
Post 86 made on Thursday November 7, 2002 at 09:42
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within device setup codes, the advance codes are the same, regardless of which ueic remote you are using. I.e., If you use (for example) efc 180 with TV_0250 in your 1994, that same efc will do the same function with TV_0250 in a 2116, 8090, etc.
I assume you made a device upgrade for your Tivo in your 1994. The keymap will be different for your 2116. Just reload your KM.txt file into KM (6.09), select the 2116 in the remote drop down menue, then go to the button's tab and make sure the button assignments are how you want them. Then copy and paste the device upgrade and protocol upgrade (if needed) into IR, and upload to your 2116.
As you no doubt noted, several buttons were reshuffled compared to where they were located on either the 1995 or 1994, so they will end up in different locations on your 2116. That may take a little time to get used to if you've gotten real accustommed to the know-and-feel of your 1994.
There may well be a built-in sony tivo code, I would think your manual would list it.
If format follows thru with this new remote, the manual may list many of the codes pre-programmed in, but experience with the latest offerings demonstrates that a good few of the older codes may not be mentioned in the manual, but are indeed in the library; If you used a pre-programmed code with your 1994, and it worked well with your device, it won't hurt to see if the 2116 will accept it, even if it's not specifically mentioned in the manual, you may well get lucky.
Reports so far indicate that the 2116 will accept advance codes, and the manual(by hand) procedure has been listed in this thread. However, if the device code happens to be a combo code, without JP-1, you may not be able to program them in. UEIC is working on this shortcoming, whether they find a solution remains to be seen.
Jim
Post 87 made on Thursday November 7, 2002 at 10:01
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On 11/07/02 09:42.48, jamesgammel said...
within device setup codes, the advance codes are
the same, regardless of which ueic remote you
are using. I.e., If you use (for example) efc
180 with TV_0250 in your 1994, that same efc will
do the same function with TV_0250 in a 2116, 8090,
etc.

My TV used to use code 0158 but that is not listed in the 2116 manual. I seem to have to use 1058 now. This doesn't seem to be a huge deal. My VCR that I used to move keys for on screen display etc... don't seem to be working now. I put them on the new key equivalents. Weird. I thought the advance codes might have been re-assigned hence my post 8o)
So you are saying that my 114 advance code should still work. Weird it doesn’t seem to. I will have to play more.


As you no doubt noted, several buttons were
reshuffled compared to where they were located
on either the 1995 or 1994, so they will end up
in different locations on your 2116. That may
take a little time to get used to if you've gotten
real accustommed to the know-and-feel of your
1994.

Yes this is weird but understandable. I accounted for this.

Does anyone know what the db-08 to db-14 device buttons are in IR?
Also the other settings options?


There may well be a built-in sony tivo code,
I would think your manual would list it.

Doesn’t seem to be.


If format follows thru with this new remote,
the manual may list many of the codes pre-programmed
in, but experience with the latest offerings demonstrates
that a good few of the older codes may not be
mentioned in the manual, but are indeed in the
library; If you used a pre-programmed code with
your 1994, and it worked well with your device,
it won't hurt to see if the 2116 will accept it,
even if it's not specifically mentioned in the
manual, you may well get lucky.

Everything worked on the 1994. I am doing a fresh 2116 setup with IR, basically using the same key moves and macros, adjusting for net key locations. Some stuff seems to work well and others just don’t seem to work.


Thanks Jim!
Post 88 made on Thursday November 7, 2002 at 10:37
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Schivins,
Don't automatically assume that if a code isn't listed in the manual, it's not in the remote. TRY assigning TV_0158 and see if the remote accepts it. We've seen with other remotes introduced in the last 6 months that there are some old codes that aren't listed in the manual, but are indeed in the remote's library.
The 1058 is likely a combo code. If it works satisfactory for YOU, then continue to use it.

If 114 efc worked on your 1994, as long as you're using the same vcr device setup code for your vcr, it should still work the same on your 2116. If you're having trouble using the hand method with the onscreen menue, use IR's keymove tab to enter and assign it.

I haven't seen the 2116's manual yet. If the manual doesn't have a special category for pvr's, you might check the vcr codes( just a suggestion).

You know that the 2116's KM and RDF are BETA's? There may be bugs in them that need to be worked out yet. I think Rob's the one that did the work on them and posted that they were not totally tested and may require some revisions. I don't think anyone has had a 2116 for more than a week now, so DON'T expect any of the tools made to be PERFECT. I'd suggest keeping in regular touch with the JP-1 site to keep apprised as to the status of the tools for this new remote. It woudn't surprise me that revisions and bug fixes will be made several times over the next few months. Reports of bugs from people like you at JP-1 will tell the "experts" where to look, so help the cause by reporting them there if and when you run into a problem. Rob, Jon and John do accasionally and regularly visit this site, but they may miss an individual post here, so it's better to posts JP-1 problems, or UEIC remote problems at the JP-1 site where they are more likely to be seen by those experts, and others.
Jim
Post 89 made on Thursday November 7, 2002 at 11:29
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bhorrell,

While the 2116 is definitely better than the 8090, if you don't want to lose RF capability just wait and buy a 2117 (the RF version of the 2116) when it comes out.
Post 90 made on Thursday November 7, 2002 at 11:52
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AUDIO/0158 in a 15-1994 is Sony devices 16 and 13. That codes is not in the 2116.
AUDIO/1058 in a 2116 is multiple Sony devices. It is a "2 byte" protocol for which you need JP1 in order to do advanced codes.
MISC/0159 in a 2116 is Sony devices 12 and 13. Any advanced code that corresponds to an odd hex cmd in AUDIO/0158 should have the same EFC in MISC/0159.
TAPE/0243 in a 2116 is Sony devices 16 and 0. Any advanced code that corresponds to an even hex cmd in AUDIO/0158 should have the same EFC in TAPE/0243.
EFC 114 corresponds to hex cmd 14 (which is even). For other EFC to hex cmd translation, use the EFC calculator on the tools menu of IR.EXE (you can download an use IR for that even if you don't have a JP1 cable).

To assign this key move without JP1, you rely on the fact that key moves retain their source setup code even after you change the setup code of the device button used to define them so:
1) Reassign the device button to be TAPE/0243.
2) Test EFC 114 (in case I got some detail wrong).
3) Set up a key move for EFC 114.
4) Reassign the device button back to be AUDIO/1058.

With JP1, that process is much simpler.

With JP1 you could also assign the 2 byte key move, which just wastes a byte vs. using TAPE/0243, but would be useful if you didn't know about TAPE/0243. You use the EFC calculator to translate the EFC (114) to a hex cmd (14), and you use the EFC calculator to translate the device number to a hex cmd. For Sony, you type the device number (16) into the LSB field and read the hex cmd (08) from Hex Command field. Then you select the Hex Cmd option in the dialog for adding a key move and type in the 2 byte hex cmd (14 08).

I don't have a 2116. I haven't tested ANY of the above. Good Luck.
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