Cool Roddy, I have had a few friends be on shows like "Pinks" (drag racing for pink slips) and Monster Garage. I was in a few back ground scenes from Monster garage filmed at my work last year but I ended up on the editing cutting room floor. LOL

By the way Roddy since we are neighbors, when the hell are you going to mow your lawn? LOL

$230 was just the price for the hardware. If you never noticed I feel most people should be reading the manual and programming their own remotes. With a savings of $770 dollars I think most people would prefer to read the manual, the rest can hire a CI with their high hourly rate. Sure a lot of people will pay your rates but not most people.

Why exactly should people read the manual when they willing to buy a professional product??

Because this works for you everyone should do this. You are an exception Rich. Back when we did Pronto's we had a client twho said here son was an EE student and he would program the remote. Two weeks later I came back and did for $400, and a Pronto is not that difficult either.

I am in townhouse up in Carson, no law to mow. But we do pay for professional gardeners to take care of the place. What an interesting concept, hire a pro. lol

That is just plain wrong. The "most people" part. I think most people don't want to be bothered and/or just don't have the time. The same guy that just spent 80k on a system probably paid $770 for a couple bottles of wine that he had with dinner last night.
Oh, he could of saved $770 by making his own wine. What was I thinking.

Seems the CI's think "most people" are a lot more stupid and a lot richer than I do.

I'm not a CI. I am a DIY. I programmed both of my MX-850's by myself. Just like you did. I have the software (with live updates) just like you do. I am not mad at URC. And I have no idea why you have been on this tirade about URC. But I'm guessing you will tell me. And I'll bet you have already said what you are about to say at least 20 times already.

I pay a professional gardener too. I also hire a painter now and then. It's not that I am incapable. I just don't have the time.

If you would have noticed that "professional" argument began a long time ago when some CI's here made statements that consumers were "incapable" as one of their defenses in defending URC's policy that has left many people with no updates and some people with no software.

Let anyone hire a professional if they want or program their remotes themselves (it's really not that difficult) but give everyone their updateable software!

The only reason I got into this argument was because of all the crap Rich and Jon were talking about CI's. Most of it was just not right. There is the need for us, we have signed 3 $100k plus jobs here in the last 3 weeks. Somebody is seeing a need for our services. There is a post on IP about guys doing 40 and 50 thousand square foot houses, you think these owners are gonna program this stuff themselves?? Largest house I ever worked on is only 18 square feet.

Between Big Papa, OEX, Jed, and I there are many years of experience here. We have seen quit a bit of stuff go down through the years. We are not just making things up to piss you guys off here, well we have said a few things to get back now and again. But the jist of things are true and valid.

The wine comment reminded me of a client we are about to redo his system (Crestron). He has a wine cellar with more than $100k of wine in it, all the wine collectors in the area are jealous. We have a sensor in the cellar that e-mail and calls him if the tempature goes out of the parameters we set up.

Most people are incapable or just are not interested in programming their stuff in my experience. That would be about 10 years of clientel. URC wants to market a line to the pros and calls it a professional line, what is wrong with this. Rich and a couple guys here seem to be the exception, not the rule. Is this stuff hard, no.

Most of us have agreed the nature of this move was not the smartest. But it is the direction URC wants to go in, and if the want to be in the professional market that is the direction they need to go in.

Has anybody really lost the use of their remote and had to get a new one through new channels because of this policy. The amount of people on your side rich seems to be diminishing. Jon will pop in now and again, but his passion for bashing seems to be gone now.

So where are the masses that are being ruined here??

OK big guy, prove me wrong. I insist.

You said this;


By 'it,' you meant the line, the statement "They are moving product from
their myriad of model numbers..." I you were talking about Fujitsu and could write clearly, you would have typed "they are endorsed" or "Fujitsu is endorsed" instead of "it was endorsed..."

By 'it,' you seemed to be talking about the statment made by the reviewer, not Fujitsu. In context, I thought you were talking about Fujitsu, but your statement was confusing to say the least. This wasn't a big deal, but you want to make it that way because you're getting completely hammered in the debate. It's all you got.

Rich, you're full of shit. Please find where we/any of us said 'consumers are incapable.' I beg you. You're resorting to fallacy since you have not arguments of any merit.

Anybody who equates $100 an hour to program a remote withy robbery is an ignorant fool. I wonder how much an hour you get paid Rich.

The guys who do it for 12 bucks an hour do it so much better. And with that model they will be around for many years to come to help you out.

Rich is just jealous that we actually get paid to do this, that is why he is so bitter. God forbid we make a living at it as well.

Yes, I want to know too. Also- have you ever hired anyone to do anything? Or can you do it all.

Being that the medium price of a house in Orange county is up over half a million dollars these days. I guess it is not right for the CI crowd to own a home either?? I am such a bad man...