Now it would just be nice if URC supported all their customers that were hurt by their retroactive policy changes. That's all we are asking here.

immoral: deliberately violating accepted principles of right and wrong

URC's action of retroactively removing the live update feature was just plain wrong and it wasn't an accident.... they did it deliberately. An immoral action to be sure.

Mark

I am new to this thread since my remote has been working fine for the last few years. However, I recently bought a new DVD player so I needed some updated codes. To my surprise, the new policy. My serial number is not accepted on the support page and I cannot recall where I bought the remote. I did buy it on the net but I did not think I was doing anything wrong. Retroactively changing policies on innocent and legitimate users is wrong and immoral. I have been a VC for the last 20 years and I would never allow a company, as a Board member, to treat their customers in this manner.

That's your un-educated choice to make Rich.

You're totally full of shit and there's no doubt now that you're not here to help anybody, you're here to win an argument. You probably googled "Fujitsu Plasma review" and the first hit came up to plasmatvbuyingguide.com. A site that is supported by online vendors who sell Panasonics. Either you're a total sucker, or you're corrupt beyond the point of being disingenuous.


Is this some kind of 'proof' of all the ignorant BS you've been propagating on this thread? I suppose that since it was stated by technical reviewer on a site promoting online sales of competitor's products, it's an objective opinion. What a joke.


You mean a 28 month old review that grades a midline commercial/digital signage model that we've never sold? In that very review, the reviewer stated that there's no difference between commercial and consumer grade sets other then a few BNC connections and such, which is not true. But go ahead and believe it, it's what you want to believe Rich. It conveniently fits your rhetoric, although it's not based in reality or pragmatism.

You're clearly not objective at all. I don't know how you deal with yourself propagating this kind of BS. Panny makes some good stuff, and Fuji is not the holy grail, but Fujis have better pictures than most of the other sets. Panny also makes some junk too. I suppose I could go to a website and find a review that blasts some Panny and fawns over a Fuji, but I would be lowering myself to your level.

You pull crap like this Rich, you're going to get hammered. I'd stick to the whining and harping on URC.

For the price. So does Kia



You mean I wasted my money putting 2 of them in my house? I ripped myself off. BP you suck. I thought I had good sets only to realize I have crap.

Really now Rich, comparing a Fujistu to a Panasonic properly set up, Really??

I have put in maybe a dozen Panny's for budget systems, and I have installed dozens of Fujitsu's for the main rooms and there is no legitimate comparison.

Thats like comparing a Ford to a Benz, the Ford is a decent ride, but there is no comparison.

Comments like that kill your credibility.

Don't worry BP, I know I hit a sore spot, I have nothing against Fujitso I just thought the line "They are moving product from their myriad of model numbers, primarily through small, profit hungry specialized AV retailers and installers." worked pretty well since it was endorsed by the same folks that support MX-850's for $1000. Yes I am not familiar with Fujitso sets so I thought I would check them out I looked at quite a few search results the consensus seems to be they are good sets but over priced and seem supported mostly by CI's.

Anyway I do like Panasonic, here's my choice the Panasonic TH-50PH9UK.

OK enough for the off topic subject. The fact is I like URC MX-800/850 remotes I just do not like a company treating its customers so poorly as URC has. What URC did was wrong and they need to correct the problems they brought upon their customers. I am not asking for anything so hard to conceive just for customers to be treated fairly and everyone receive the software w/updates that should be supplied for their remotes.

Yes I know it's terrible..... almost like compairing a $230 dollar MX-850 to a $1000 dollar MX-850. LOL

No Rich, that's more BS. What you hit was the last remaining shreds of your own credibility as someone who has any wisdom about this industry. Comparing Pannys to Fujis takes the cake.


Huh? You mean the 'line worked pretty well' as in antagonzied CI's? It did. But instead of hitting our sore spot (we're used to it), it clearly made you out for what your really are, a malcontent agitator who again demonstates a lack of knowledge about our industry despite copious explanations.

Besides, your statement says the 'line' was endorsed by the same people who support MX 850's, as in plasmabuyingguide.com endorsed MX850's for a $1000. I don't think you meant that.


Again, the internet is all truth, but the guys who do this for a living you 'mistrust.' You see a pattern here Rich. You would rather trust an essentially nameless webpage instead of a human being that spends his time installing plasmas and calibrating them. Oh, that's right, since a website that sells Panasonics said we're 'profit hungry specialized installers,' then it must be true since we install Fujitsus. You've been played.


Why? Because it's cheaper than a Fuji, or performs better? Compare it to a P50XHA51US. That would be a better comparision than the 'objective' review you proposed earlier. Funny, they haven't done a Fujitsu review in over two years. Maybe because they aren't a dealer?


LOL, that would be wise on your part.

But don't you feel better knowing you paid an exhorbinant markup to an overpriced installer? Oh, wait....

I was merely trying to give Rich a little bone, he's been taking a beating of late. I think one of his buddies should show up and run interference.

Well you missed. Ouch, my arse

As for that crazy quote about Fujis dealer structure, I posted that EXACT quote last spring just for laughs. I am very familiar with the site. What a joke. As for Fujis being overpriced, I would like to see a price reduction instead of the silly rebate thing.

Just stick to hating URC my friend. That is a very sad statement you made.

BP I have never viewed a Fuji so I cannot make any comparison I was only interested as you seemed to like them so much. My taste in plasmas is Pioneer and Panasonic for the money I went with Panasonic one of the best picture qualities at a very reasonable price. I am very happy with my decision.



Just as always you mis-read things here, replace "it" with "Fujitso"


As I said before I make my decisions on many factors not just any one. I looked at about half a dozen reviews all were some what similar as to Fuji being good but "overpriced". I choose that review to post as I said because I got a kick out of that one line as you know my feelings about CI's pricing when I was told about $1000 dollar MX-850's so I was not trusting the reviews opinion I found it funny as it matched my own opinion on CI remote charges. As for Fuji's I have made no conclusions. I researched Panasonic before buying and love the choice.



I choose Panasonic for me because of it's superb performance and excellent price. Pioneer is excellent but at a considerably higher price. I have not compared it with Fuji myself. No I don't just trust anyone's opinion I compare things myself.

Thats the thing Rich, there is nothing wrong with a Panasonic. They can make that display look decent, for the money they are. You discount and talk smack about something in which you admitidly have no clue about. But you keep popping off with coments that do not hold any water around people with many years of experience.

I have heard the $1000 MX850 comment a few times. I have no clue what the cost of this piece is. But I do have a couple of questions about your comment and sale. Does this price in include the RF module, the installation of any emitters, hooking up equipment different or properly, any recalibration of the surround sound and display. And on top of all this the final programming, testing and teaching the client?

Add all of this up and a grand does not really sound all that expensive. But what the hell do I know, I just do this everyday.

LOL, I can hold my own very well with over 20 years very active in home theater as a hobby.


This was the price for a MX-850 and MRF-250 with programming, as quoted by a poster here on Remote Central who after seeing his itemized bill was shocked what the remote cost and said he was returning it. He paid $15,000 plus for a system I believe.


Sounds ridiculously expensive to me, I have $219.00 dollars in mine and wouldn't have wanted anyone to program it but me. I understand some people may like their remote programmed for them but that is an outrageous price to pay, for that much money I would gladly do it everyday, hmmm program 5 remotes a week for $2000 dollars not to mention the huge markup for MSRP, yikes!