Well it thrills me that i may lose a potential great deal on a remote now.. Thanx.

I ordered mine on Wednesday and I sure hope some of you are wrong. I have been charged for the remote so hopefully mine is shipping.

To bad a few busy bodies have to ruin our chances of getting a reasonable deal on this overpriced remote :(

It amazes me to see a consumer file a complaint with a company, that the selling price of a remote by one of it's distributors is close to what the actual market price of this remote should be...

Just a few thoughts from this neck of the woods:

Everyone wants to pay a certain price for an item they are looking at.

Everyone has different opinions on what that price should be.

Some of those people sometimes do not understand the pricing structure of that certain item and why it is implemented that way. Some people don't want to know or don't care - they just want the price they think the item should sell for.

Some people call other people names ("busy bodies" )when they bring attention to a situation where a distributor is selling at wholesale cost to non-businesses when it is clearly in violation of their agreement with the manufacturer. These people don't care. They just want the remote at the price they want it for - violation or no violation.

"You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time.

BUT, you can never please all of the people all of the time."

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it is wrong." ;-)

But, thank goodness everyone is entitled to their own opinion...

... Greg

Well, that makes you a jerk. I would have used stronger language to describe your actions but I don't want to offend anyone but you.

Personally, I do not see anything wrong if a company legally aquires a product and then sells them at a fair price which allows them to make a profit. If they want to sell it for $230, thats fine. Just about everyone thought it was overpriced.
What exactly is the violaton? They are not "authorized dealers"? Well, BlueDo is not, and we love those guys!
I too am currently of the opinion that writing a letter to URC was a bit too much (just let URC handle that stuff instead of pointing it out to them). I paid close to retail for my MX700, but was glad that others would have been able to get one for much cheaper. The RC MX700 site would have probably benefited!
kranston

Just for the record, I bought my first MX-700 from BlueDo at close to the retail price. The second time around I was looking for a much better price so I ordered from Worthington.

Let's face it, this is basically an MX500 with software....it is a great product but there is no way it is worth as much as they are asking for it. And now they have raised the price???

This is my first post, but I have been lurking here for at least a year. I finally decided to take the plunge on the mx-700. At this price (231) how could you pass it up. If worthington wanted to give the remotes away for free couldn't they do that? A company should be able to sell their products for whatever they want to sell them. If I go to the grocery store and get two packs of batteries for the price of one, I am not going to call eveready and tell them! Why would anybody write and complain that a product is being sold at to low of a price. I'll bet you were the teachers pet.

Luckally I ordered and received 2 MX700's from Worthington before all this crap started, but I have several more on order and it's questionable whether or not I will receive them.

If this thread had started and ended with the original poster's message about going to Worthington and buying the MX700 for a good price we probably wouldn't be having these issues. But NO. 81+ messages later people are still bitching. And yes, this post is a gripe as well, but at the posters here not at Worthington.

> It is availabe here:
> [Link: worthdist.com]
> for $231. Any comments? Isn't this a good deal?

RabidRabbit: I am in contact with URC quite often, and disagree totally with what Worthington is doing.

Read my post above about how some people want an item at the price they want to spend, no matter what agreements may be in violation.

... Greg <<< no flame suite required.... bring it on.

The Internet has and is changing the way all of us do business. Many of the old ways will be changed. Manufactures and others that do not change will have reduced sales. Some will be hurt, some will prosper, but we will move forward.

Sam--happy with my MX500, pissed at the MX1000 software (and URC's record of updates). I would like to have a MX700, but will wait.

Hey Mr. World Savior!! I wonder if you would have called URC if Worthington was selling the remote at $1,000 and getting people to buy them. I think not. This was a simple tactic to try and protect the advertisers you are affiliated with. Don't try and sound so rightous when the act of doing good was not the driving force here. Remember...A spade dressed as a heart is still a Spade.

we pay a little for convenience. we pay more than wholesale for our TV from Sears because we like that sears buys different tvs from different manufacturers, offers convenient sales techniques, and customer service as well. so sears makes profit on the TV and we pay that profit for the services rendered. If some rogue distributor let you buy the TV for the same price that Sears pays, and then Sony cuts off that distributor, who are you mad at? the fact remains that if you could buy every product at wholesale, you'd never use a dealer. No dealer, no service, no selection, no return policy, no warranty, no nothing. distributors don't care about you when you're buying one remote. dealers do. as you can see in this thread I want the MX-700 at the cheapest possible price, and I cant get it from Worth anymore because apparently they blatently violated their agreement with URC. if they don't give a crap about URC and their word with them, why do you think they give a crap about you? they don't. They may be a great company, but they're a disitrbutor. I'm fumed about even hearing about the low price because now its gone. but its obvious that URC wants the remote sold by hands on customer-caring dealers. not large congolmorates. they probably don't want to deal with customer service issues. well, that's one strategy, right or wrong. I want the best price, hey its the net, right, but this isn't a five dollar ebay purchase and if something is wrong, worth can't even replace the remtoe now because they wont be shipped the remote, because they made an agreement and violated it. i don't see how anyone can trust them with their hundreds of dolalrs. I cant. So I'll see what other places offer the mx-700. Rant mode is now off.

So, if that's the case, is Bluedo next? They're the only one of the three internet resellers offering the MX-700 for less than $499.95 (with the obvious 30% off coupon). AVSmarts has $10 off and Surf Remote's got free shipping, but that's nowhere near $150. Apparently, the HTM ax will be falling again.

If HTM's only going to allow internet sales at full list price, they might as well not allow internet sales at all because $500 is way too much for the MX-700/200 combo.

Tester

Who said Worthington violated their agreement with HTM? How does anyone other than HTM and Worthington know what agreement they had?

Worthington has retail and wholesale divisions (based on someone else's statement) so why should HTM cut them off on remotes? Who's to say that Worthington isn't happy to make their profit selling at or close to wholesale - if the $231 is the correct wholesale price! Another poster (an installer I believe) stated his wholesale price was higher - why would this be? if this is correct, shouldn't he be glad that someone posted a company that he could have bought from and cut his costs? Now, if HTM stops selling to Worthington, it will hurt everyone.

Tom_E316
Someone has already stated here that BlueDo is not an authorized dealer. Are they an authorized dealer or not? I guess if they aren't and since they are not selling at wholesale then it's OK? Shouldn't other authorized dealers be upset that BlueDo is undercutting their prices by offering a $150 discount on a product which if they are not an authorized dealer will not have a warranty? Of course, Worthington sales may not be warranteed either.

BlueDo (and others) is making a profit just like Worthington is. Afterall, no one thinks that a wholesaler doesn't make a profit selling stuff at whloesale prices - do they?

Earlier in the post, I believe someone stated that the remote is meant to be sold custom preprogrammed for the end user for the $499.95 retail price- so why does anyone think if we were to pay this much then we would not expect it to come programmed to operate our equipment out of the box. Perhaps, everyone that orders one at retail should submit their list of components and state that custom programming must be included.

I still believe that (see my earlier post) a 15 - 25% markup should be satisfactory without any custom programming. While the $289 (125% of $231) is still quite high for this remote (I paid $360 though), it would be more reasonable. Afterall, I'd almost bet that HTM would drop ship orders directly to customers when purchased through authorized dealers - other large companies do this - and thus the dealer doesn't have money tied up or inventory sitting on their shelf.

Perhaps, HTM should be notified about this thread and see the amount of controversy over their pricing and how everyone believes the remote is overpriced. Since it resembles the 500 so well (same components / build), perhaps it should be priced slightly higher (maybe $175 retail) due to programmability and the MX-200. Custom installers could add their fees as they see fit depending on the # of components the customer has. Afterall, as I stated earlier, there are 2 types of buyers for this type of remote - 1) those that want the best, research remotes and love to do their own programming and 2) those that want a turnkey home theater system complete with personalized remote.

If nothing else is done, I think that HTM should offer this remote to the general public at a reasonable price and installers could sell it with a programming fee. If they don't then it is my belief that they will lose a tremendous amount of sales. Aren't Pronto's and other remotes offered to the general public? Do installers sometimes custom program Pronto's?

Again, just my two cents.

This message was edited by Rick_Wilson on 11/03/02 20:46.55.