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Post 1 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 00:13
Clark W. Griswold
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So much for global warming, we had snow the last couple days. Hawaii was cold, San diego was cold. sandusky had snow.

Global warming my ass. we are heading for another ice age. idiots.
I don't give a frog's fat ass who went through what. We need money! Hey, Russ, wanna look through Aunt Edna's purse?
Post 2 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 08:38
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Dude... did you get a new keyboard or something?
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Post 3 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 09:12
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You do understand that the warming is at the poles, causing the ice caps to melt and break off into the oceans, which is creating very-very-minor changes in the temperature of the major and minor ocean currents which distribute the heat from the equator to the poles and regulate the planet's temperature...

Oh, those currents also *create* the planet's weather, so this phenomenon that you may or may not believe in is the reason that our weather has been so crazy over the past year or two...

It doesn't mean "it's going to be hotter at your house from now on".

Do a google search for "global climate change" and read what you see with an open mind.

Then have your HVAC system serviced (or replaced) to ensure that you are making efficient use of the fuel you feed it, and go trade in the SUVs for something that gets 30 mpg or better.
Rick Murphy
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Post 4 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 09:16
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This is a very short term perspective. If you'll remember we set temperature records across the country this summer, just because it's cold now doesn't mean anything. Rick is exactly right, more then anything else global warming = wacky weather, which is what you just described.
Post 5 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 09:31
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Doesn't the world's enviroment constantly change. Most of it froze over at one point. Did the dinsaurs cause global warming then to unfreeze the ice age?? Or did they cause it in the first place.

Maybe they used to much areosol??
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Post 6 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 09:52
2nd rick
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On April 13, 2007 at 09:31, roddymcg said...
Doesn't the world's enviroment constantly change. Most
of it froze over at one point. Did the dinsaurs cause
global warming then to unfreeze the ice age?? Or did they
cause it in the first place.

Maybe they used to much areosol??

Funny. :)

From what I have read, the planet *is* warming on it's own, but the natural timeline involves millenia instead of decades.

We are just putting a fast forward on certain aspects of this, which has it's own issues.

IMO, corporations and greed are the root cause and the largest obstacle to why we haven't implemented more efficient fuels for our vehicles, heating, and power generation.

I have a good friend who owns an HVAC company, and his industry experts have been marketing equipment upgrades based on warnings for many years about natural gas and propane price spikes... and recently we have been getting them.

There are a lot of people who think that the price increases on gasoline, diesel, nat. gas, propane, etc. are not even close to peaking.

George Bush installed a geothermal heating and cooling system at his ranch in TX that uses the stable temp of the earth (in the 5-50 ft below surface) which is then only *supplemented* by traditional fuels to achieve the desired temperatures in the home.
Total fuel/electricity usage is like 1/4 of traditional high-efficiency HVAC systems and central air conditioning.

What does he know that we may not??

Solar, wind, and geothermal are very easy to implement, yet there is resistance and negative spin when these are mentioned... where does that come from?? My bet is that the corporations who have billions (to trillions) invested in the rights for oil drilling/nat. gas, and mine coal... They have a *pretty strong* lobby...

My community just built a new jail/police building, and they looked into geothermal. A *study* concluded that the geothermal was not practical and that the traditional systems would be a better solution. The study got into the hands of some of the country's experts on geothermal who all said that the study's findings were all based on incorrect assumptions and flat out misleading data.

Who were the experts involved in that study?? Probably utility company cronies.
Rick Murphy
Allnet Distributing
Troy, MI www.allnetdistributing.com
Post 7 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 10:08
Jay In Chicago
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I'm glad I wasn't here 10,000 years ago trying to keep the glacier frozen that has now become Lake Michigan.

It's balance.

Trust me.

Ice chunks hundred of miles in area have been breaking off into the ocean ever since there was ice in the ocean.

It simple physics.


And yeah ... we will enter another ice age someday.

Remember the 70's? When the air had taste and texture? That would have been a better time to sell some bogus "Carbon Credits"

What a Joke!

We are doing the right thing with creating a cleaner environment, but let not put ourselves on such a high horse to think we have the power of the hand of mother nature.


Massive environmental change come from one and only source... Nature... Volcanic eruption, or objects from outer space while few ad far between have the potential to wipe us out in a matter of mere moments.

Something to fear? No... Fear my neighbor for eating to much methane belching meat? No.
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Post 8 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 19:13
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It's all IMUS' fault! I think he just made up the rumor!
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Post 9 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 19:22
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Quit hugging the trees Rick.

I put a geotherm system in my house last summer with an expected 10 year payback on the 2.5 times the cost of a super efficient heat pump system. But i did it to save moola, not to save the red eyed tree frog.

Want to help the environment? Go slow down the deforestation in the amazon. But let me guess, corporate america and Haliburton are behind that too?

Nice post Jay (that will fall on deaf ears).

PS - this is the fifth coldest April in the history of record keeping in the US, and we are only 13 days into it. If it warms up for the rest of the month it will STILL be the 12 coldest April in the history of the US. I wonder where algore is? Must be keeping warm by burning his $2500/month gas bill heating his 25,000 sq/ft house. Or maybe he has the heater on full blast in the private jet. Or is the SUV? I just can't keep them all straight.
Post 10 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 19:27
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On April 13, 2007 at 10:08, Jay In Chicago said...
I'm glad I wasn't here 10,000 years ago trying to keep
the glacier frozen that has now become Lake Michigan.

It's balance.

Trust me.

Well of course I trust you. What could all those worlds leading scientists know anyway, compared to Jay the ladder guy (or for that matter QQQ the custom installer).

Ice chunks hundred of miles in area have been breaking
off into the ocean ever since there was ice in the ocean.

It simple physics.

Ah, it's simple physics, OK, now I understand.

And yeah ... we will enter another ice age someday.

The sun will burn out some day too. It's simple physics. Not sure what that has to do with anything, but it will burn out.

We are doing the right thing with creating a cleaner environment,
but let not put ourselves on such a high horse to think
we have the power of the hand of mother nature.

Uh, could you point out who is saying we have the hand over mother nature?

Massive environmental change come from one and only source...
Nature... Volcanic eruption, or objects from outer space
while few ad far between have the potential to wipe us
out in a matter of mere moments.

Good to know. I'll tell all the worlds leading scientists that Jay the ladder guy says massive environmental change comes from one source and one source only.

And I'm glad to learn that Chernobyl must have been a conspiracy that never really happened or was that not massive enough for you.

Something to fear? No... Fear my neighbor for eating
to much methane belching meat? No.

Fear stupidity.

Last edited by QQQ on April 13, 2007 19:35.
Post 11 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 19:30
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I am 30 miles from the coast here in Florida. I am salivating at the thought of owning beachfront property soon! I will start building a pier right now so it will be grandfathered in when the time comes.

BTW....Clark drives a Buick Roadmaster that gets 9mpg, not an SUV.
Post 12 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 19:40
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'Global warming' isn't really a good term anyway. It's really 'climate change'. Warming is an overall effect when looked at globally, but that could make it colder in some places, hotter in others, because it can affect atmospheric and oceanic patterns, and many local weather conditions are driven or heavily influenced by those patterns.

We here in the Silicon Valley area have our wonderful climate because there's a cold ocean current that comes up from the bottom just off the coast. So basically we have a huge air conditioner sitting on the beach. If that were to change, I bet that it would become pure dessert here and people would bail out at a rapid pace. I'm not sure if that current is one that would be in danger of being influenced by current trends or not. Hopefully not.
Dean Roddey
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Post 13 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 20:42
stereoguy823
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I used to believe all the global warming crap until I watched 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' or whatever it was called on CH4 the other day. Like we give up 20bn tons of output (total human) compared to 5000bn tons of natures output - per day.

I used to think that you guys driving 8mpg SUV's were blind to the fact that you were raping the planet. Of course, using fuel eneficiently (wrong spelling - I'm pi$$ed) is wasteful - but not harmful in the sense of global warming, it is not as major a contribution to global warming as the peat bogs thawing. Of course, keeping the 3rd world poor would be good for the Western economy, but what about the rest of us?

I just wish that the powers that be could look beyond the money-making opportunity to see that we will eventually run out of fuel one day. The industry created out of this 'research' into global warming is really starting to wear on me. Esp since it is being paid for out of our taxes vs reseach into cancer or other illnesses or new power sources or developing our world into the future it desreves.

This carbon footprint stuff is a load of nonsense and one day we will see this. But until then, we'll all be seen as blinkered fools, set on destroying our planet. Just look at the practice of 'bleeding' patients in the 1800's (I'm no history expert) to rid them of disease. We look back at that now as a joke.

Until then, I'm keeping my foot down on my 2.5 VW.
Sticking to what I'm good at.
Post 14 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 21:30
Dean Roddey
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That misses the point that there is a natural carbon cycle. Yes the natural world generates carbon, but it also absorbs it. Over billions of years an equilibrium is established. The point is that we are increasing production of carbon, not that we are producing more than is naturally produced. You are full of salt, but that doesn't mean that you can chug down a cup of salt and not suffer effects from it, because the salt in your body is in equilibrium, while the cup of salt upsets that equilibrium.

But anyway, it's silly to pretend like this isn't a problem. The scientific community might have been fairly evenly divided for a long time, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. A consensus has been growing steadily that the issue is real.

And the big problem is that it's not the kind of problem that you can allow to reach the point where even the biggest skeptic can no longer ignore before you do something about it. By then, it will be way too late and the effects will be far too bad. By just being reasonable, emphasizing conservation, common sense stuff, and putting in a serious effort to get ourselves away from fossil fuels, we can hedge our bets without massive sacrifices. Gettng ourselves off of fossil fuels (besides avoiding a collapse of our economy when it starts becoming very expensive due to demand growing very fast) would also provide many benefits to this country in terms of self-sufficiency.

We do owe those who come after us, and we should take a conservative approach towards protecting what we pass on to them. The inevitable result of our current activities will result in a world none of us would want to live in. Nature always loses over time, and the losses are almost never recovered. If only 1,000,000 acres get used up a year in the whole world, that's a billion acres 1000 years from now.

But 1000 years is a blink of an eye. We have to live on this planet a LONG time, and we are growing in a very non-linear way. That cannot be sustained long term. In the last thousand years we've grown in population something like 22 times over. If that happens in the next 1000 years, we'll hit around 132 billion people on this planet. Obviously we are going to either stop having babies (how likely is that unless it's at the point of a gun, which it might end up being) or we are going to have to seriously lower our use (and reuse) of resources.
Dean Roddey
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Post 15 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 21:50
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On April 13, 2007 at 08:38, Bucdup said...
Dude... did you get a new keyboard or something?

that is hilarious!!!!!! i knew i should have looked at this post earlier
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