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Post 601 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 16:00
Mac Burks (39)
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Its fun to laugh at Trump but it's time to get serious. We can't elect someone who can't figure out on his own why we shouldn't use nuclear weapons.

[Link: cnbc.com]
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Post 602 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 16:17
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On August 10, 2016 at 15:11, Mac Burks (39) said...
Spin what? I am not denying that some of the people in this country are hearing what they want vs whats actually being said.

Trump's speaking style is so unclear that it's often hard to tell what he's actually talking about. That leaves everybody needing to interpret, and anyone with an opinion won't be able to keep from spinning in at least some small way.


On August 10, 2016 at 10:09, Ranger Home said...
Is the word politician based on the latin work lie? :)

RH probably meant word, not work.

Funny you should ask! www.etymonline says that, around 1580, the word
quickly took on overtones, not typically good ones. Johnson defines it as "A man of artifice; one of deep contrivance."

And it comes from politics...
Politicks is the science of good sense, applied to public affairs, and, as those are forever changing, what is wisdom to-day would be folly and perhaps, ruin to-morrow. Politicks is not a science so properly as a business. It cannot have fixed principles, from which a wise man would never swerve, unless the inconstancy of men's view of interest and the capriciousness of the tempers could be fixed. [Fisher Ames (1758-1808)]

Ultimately, it's based on the word polis, which means city, as in metropolis. And politics is/are affairs of the city, state, that is, government.
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Post 603 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 18:22
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On August 10, 2016 at 16:17, Ernie Gilman said...
Trump's speaking style is so unclear that it's often hard to tell what he's actually talking about. That leaves everybody needing to interpret, and anyone with an opinion won't be able to keep from spinning in at least some small way.

And who would want a president with this handicap?

You defenders on here, are doing some pretty large mental gymnastics to interpret his statement yesterday as anything but how most of the rest of the world interpreted it.

This was not a liberal media bias. I watched the clip, without any media prefacing and immediate understood what he "meant". And what he meant was that maybe a 2nd commandment NRA nutcase might try to assassinate a judge, or Hillary. As if he was encouraging it.

I will say that this is one of the things about Hillary I'm uneasy about. Gun regulation. I don't feel we need much more. I do feel we should more rigidly enforce the present regs in place. And maybe put a closer scrutiny on mentally challenged people owning guns. But that is a difficult thing to police and regulate.

But you guys that insist that the media biased Trumps comment yesterday to mean something other than what he meant. Well that's just plain loony tunes. You guys just can't come to grips with the fact that Trump is a nut case. Talk about myopic. Your credibility is circling the bowl along with his poll numbers.
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Post 604 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 19:53
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It cannot have fixed principles, from which a wise man would never swerve, unless the inconstancy of men's view of interest and the capriciousness of the tempers could be fixed. [Fisher Ames (1758-1808)]

That's both right and wrong. The way I read that is, though wise men WOULD have a set of fixed principles from which they would never swerve, politicians can't because they have to cater to the changing whims of the public.

IMO, that's utterly wrong. A WISE man, would know that there are few fixed principles when it comes to solutions to social issues, and that no fixed set of ideas is going to solve all problems all of the time. And that's one of the key problems with our political system. We have people on both ends who believe that only their solutions are workable, no matter the circumstances. And we have absolutely no way to allow for flexible application of ad hoc solutions designed to fit the problem, because no one trusts anyone else enough to allow them to do so.

This is a fundamental issue, which is probably never going to go away, and will continue to hold us back and cause both political polarization and over-regulation intended to enforce a least common denominator, because the whole framework doesn't allow for anything else under currently and likely ever prevailing circumstances. I see no way to fix this problem without a massive increase in the education and perspective of humans, and that's somewhat less likely than me winning the lottery without buying a ticket.

Last edited by Dean Roddey on August 10, 2016 22:29.
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Post 605 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 21:24
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How about the similar thing Hillary said when running against Obama?


No comment on that from the fanboys?


No comment on the recently released, due to a lawsuit, of emails showing the misdeeds inside the Clinton Foundation?


Neither here nor in the bought off MSM?
Post 606 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 21:59
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On August 10, 2016 at 16:17, Ernie Gilman said...
Trump's speaking style is so unclear that it's often hard to tell what he's actually talking about. That leaves everybody needing to interpret.

Ernie, I would like to see an entirely separate thread, updated daily for your interpretations of Trumpisms, between now and the election. Please.
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Post 607 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 22:56
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On August 10, 2016 at 15:08, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
You are twisting the statement the same as the bought off media.

It WOULD be a horrible day if SHE get to put her judges on the bench.

OK. So the horrible day statement is applied to the day liberal judges are installed.

What does the statement about 'the 2nd Amendment people, maybe they can do something' mean? They are two separate statements.

Looking forward to your explanation. Hopefully after a fresh batch of hot and buttery.
Post 608 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 23:16
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Papa Smurf,

For someone so "intelligent" you sure need alot of explanations.

I guess living in Hawaii, it must be tough to grasp reality, right?
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Post 609 made on Wednesday August 10, 2016 at 23:38
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On August 9, 2016 at 12:21, Fins said...
I wouldnt think having a homophobic fundamentalist on stage with her would play well to Hillary's base

[Link: breitbart.com]

I'll just leave this right here without further comment. Enjoy!
Notorious Ex-Congressman Sexual Harasser Mark Foley Seated Behind Trump in Florida
Post 610 made on Thursday August 11, 2016 at 00:07
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On August 10, 2016 at 23:38, BigPapa said...
I'll just leave this right here without further comment. Enjoy!
Notorious Ex-Congressman Sexual Harasser Mark Foley Seated Behind Trump in Florida

"Make america great again" means anyone can make it mean whatever they want. Foleys great america is one where he can molest teenage boys then drop them off at their pray the gay away meetings.
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Post 611 made on Thursday August 11, 2016 at 07:32
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From [Link: filmsite.org] (film: 'Election' 1999)

In retaliation, Tammy Metzler (Jessica Campbell) entered the student body presidential race at Carver High School (Omaha, Nebraska), defiantly denounced the election and promised to dissolve the student government. She earned a standing ovation from the student audience in the school gym, although soon after, student officials suspended her and disqualified her as a candidate:

Who cares about this stupid election? We all know it doesn't matter who gets elected president of Carver. Do you really think it's gonna change anything around here;. Make one single person smarter or happier or nicer? The only person it does matter to is the one who gets elected. The same pathetic charade happens every year, and everyone makes the same pathetic promises just so they can put it on their transcripts to get into college. So vote for me, because I don't even want to go to college, and I don't care, and as president I won't do anything. The only promise I will make is that if elected, I will immediately dismantle the student government, so that none of us will ever have to sit through one of these stupid assemblies again! (Cheering) Or don't vote for me. Who cares? Don't vote at all!
Post 612 made on Thursday August 11, 2016 at 08:41
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Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

Post 613 made on Thursday August 11, 2016 at 09:00
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On August 10, 2016 at 23:38, BigPapa said...
I'll just leave this right here without further comment. Enjoy!
Notorious Ex-Congressman Sexual Harasser Mark Foley Seated Behind Trump in Florida

Did you miss that I said I plan to vote for Johnson?
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Post 614 made on Thursday August 11, 2016 at 11:14
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On August 10, 2016 at 19:53, Dean Roddey said...
That's both right and wrong. The way I read that is, though wise men WOULD have a set of fixed principles from which they would never swerve, politicians can't because they have to cater to the changing whims of the public.

IMO, that's utterly wrong. A WISE man, would know that there are few fixed principles when it comes to solutions to social issues, and that no fixed set of ideas is going to solve all problems all of the time. And that's one of the key problems with our political system. We have people on both ends who believe that only their solutions are workable, no matter the circumstances. And we have absolutely no way to allow for flexible application of ad hoc solutions designed to fit the problem, because no one trusts anyone else enough to allow them to do so.

This is a fundamental issue, which is probably never going to go away, and will continue to hold us back and cause both political polarization and over-regulation intended to enforce a least common denominator, because the whole framework doesn't allow for anything else under currently and likely ever prevailing circumstances. I see no way to fix this problem without a massive increase in the education and perspective of humans, and that's somewhat less likely than me winning the lottery without buying a ticket.

Dean,
I really appreciate your posts. They're intelligent and show a truer understanding of what is going on, unlike the "my team is great, yours sucks" attitude too prevalent in our society and this thread.

Any thoughts on Trump's statements about the election being rigged? My take is he's right, though by accident and not by design. The election process has been rigged for a long time now with gerrymandered districts so prevalent in America.
Post 615 made on Thursday August 11, 2016 at 12:07
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On August 11, 2016 at 11:14, BizarroTerl said...
Dean,
I really appreciate your posts. They're intelligent and show a truer understanding of what is going on, unlike the "my team is great, yours sucks" attitude too prevalent in our society and this thread.

Any thoughts on Trump's statements about the election being rigged? My take is he's right, though by accident and not by design. The election process has been rigged for a long time now with gerrymandered districts so prevalent in America.

I don't know if the election is outright rigged. I'm sure plenty of folks out there are trying to bend the rules to the extent they can get away with it, because so many people see it as some sort of life or death situation, and get their own personal validation tied up in it. So they are willing to do anything that they can (probably) get away with to try to make it go their way. And of course there's another group of folks who may or may not have most of the above issues PLUS their jobs depend on which way it goes, so they may be doubly motivated to do the wrong thing.

OTOH, none of that may really matter relative to the barrage of propaganda that goes on. Why bother risking jail and a legal overthrow of a win when you can just spread rumors and misinformation or selectively report information? If you can get the votes by playing on the fears and prejudices of enough people, what's the point in risking losing it all over something outright illegal?

So, anyhoo, I don't know if I'm too cynical or not cynical enough. Clearly history teaches us that power attracts the corruptible like crack cocaine. But, you have to sort of wonder whether, like many other areas of our lives, the tools and techniques of corruption and power grabbing haven't also continued to 'improve' through extensive study and application? Why do something as crude as blow up a safe when you can just steal millions over the net and not risk getting caught?
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