I'm not trolling anything, FINS. Did you see the video, whether they were bikers or just your usual middle age dudes with guns.

The thread crossed over into gun ownership, favorite guns etc.

In the past there have been comments here, where if more people "carried" these things would be averted or minimized. Think about it. Sorry, this is a touchy subject for me as well, as you defending gun ownership / carrying. I have lost friends due to shootings.

No need for the anger.

WOW, just WOW!

What Fins said.

This is the car that the author of aging rebel drives.

People who have been trained to use firearms tend to be more aware of their surroundings and because of this, it can be harder to sneak up on them. Criminals look for the low hanging fruit, which means they want people to be unarmed and clueless. If more people were TRAINED in the use of firearms, there would be fewer successful robbery attempts. I'd like to see a way to prevent people from getting guns when they shouldn't have them legally, but the fact is- some people will do everything possible to make money and if that entails selling a gun illegally or stealing the gun(s), they just want the money. Because of this fact, no gun laws will work. The number of guns out there that are "off the books" is huge, partly because some people are too stupid and/or paranoid to secure them and not all states require reporting firearm thefts.

Take your trolling somewhere else. Everyone is fed up with your crap

The best way to keep criminals from getting guns is to cut off their biggest supplier...law abiding citizens who are careless or law abiding citizens who aren't really law abiding citizens.

We need better rules for who gets guns. Half blind Aunt Betty shouldn't have a gun. 6 year old Cousin Joe still eats his boogers so no gun for him. 16 should be the youngest legally allowed to own and use a firearm. Written and range test required to obtain a permit. Firearms must be registered and secured. Anyone who "loses" or has a firearm "stolen" should be penalized and held accountable. First strike no gun card for 1 year. Second strike you lose your gun card completely and have to wait 3 years to get another. 3rd strike you lose your ability to ever own a firearm again because clearly you are too stupid to own one. Caught with a gun after that? Prison for 10 years.

Oh and when grandpa dies who gets his 357 piece hand gun collection? Will it be Uncle James, the stand up citizen who will immediately register them and add them to his secure collection that is stored in various vaults and pass coded requiring a retina scan? Or will methy Uncle Steve who lives in a station wagon that doesn't have an engine in it behind his moms house get them...and sell them to any and everyone he comes in contact with?

Making "law abiding" citizens act responsibly is exactly how you keep weapons from the hands of criminals. It also makes it more clear who is and isn't the criminal. Just like traffic lights. Putting that red light up there doesn't stop someone from running the red light but it makes it so we can identify who the law breaker is and penalize them for their criminal behavior. If the attitude is that "gun laws wont stop criminals" then why do we bother making rape illegal?

Its amazing how these threads can stay civil until a certain person gets involved.

Ignore him. dont let him make these threads about him. Dont respond and maybe we can just move past his shenanigans.

lol, that's all you got?

No, I've got logic.

Thats all you need to keep the CIA out of your thoughts.

The best post of the thread.
Although some of the others were real eye openers for varying reasons.

lol, logic don't work with Waco.

You know, the Waco where a bunch of church kids and their moms were burnt alive by the government.

You already must be 18 to own a firearm. And I have serious problems with the idea of restricting the age of use to anyone under 16. I know plenty of people that grew up with guns. Firearms were part of their lives, and they learned proper use and safety early on. to them, guns are normal. Not anything to be afraid of or see as something taboo.

And I also have a problem with a gun owner being punished if someone breaks into their house. I hate to drop the cliche, but an unloaded gun is useless. If I want to use a weapon for home defense, it needs to be loaded and accessible. Not locked up with the shells locked up somewhere else. If my guns are in my house, and my house is locked, that should not be negligence on my part if someone breaks down my door and makes off with my firearm. Do you want to put the same restriction on someone if their medicine cabinet is robbed by a burglar?

Not making this about me. Just passing along what I have experienced as a 63 year old dude, observing life.

Hey look, I have friends who are into guns, I spent my summers as a kid in Deadwood South Dakota... what did my relatives do for excitement... We'd go out shooting.

I have friends that I hang out with that love guns, and carry at the cafe where 5 of my friends were gunned down...4 died instantly. To go through something like that, and see the carnage, when human beings are shot, is pretty heavy.

I am not anti guns. I am against crazy people having access to guns. If you, as a moderator want to silence me, OK... YOu are the boss.

If you have had friends shot point blank, you MAY have a different perspective on the whole gun-thang.

It is NOT pretty. As a youngster, I loved guns and shooting. After the Cafe shooting, I'm not into them. I wish we could adopt what Australia did, but it'll never happen. That's OK.

I'm not judging or personally attacking any of you guys who don't understand.
Guns and shooting in the USA is a deeply ingrained deal. It's in our DNA (in some parts) . I GET that.

Again---dont attack me. YOu love your guns. Fine. I'm sure you will use them responsibly. I just want to keep them out of the hands of people whom are emotionally unstable.

I also do not believe that if all of us are packing heat, it will be a safer place, with fewer gun deaths.

Have most of you guys seen the carnage or damage a shot to the face can do???
It's messed up.

I lived at one time in a sketchy neighborhood, and wanted to get a handgun... but my wife enlightened me to the fact that people who did that often died by their own guns.

Again, Radioreah, and Fins... I am not trying to rile you up at all. If I walked a mile in your shoes, I would probably have the same attitude.

After seeing the Waco video, the question is... well, why couldn't this sh*tfest been "controlled" by a good guy with a gun? Welcome to the Wild Wild West.

I know the moderator, here does not agree with my politics, so this may be one of my last posts.

I am on quite a few forums and this one really restricts the 1st Amendment.