I actually meant 16 years old before you can legally use/touch a firearm. Honestly i think it should be 21 so that its real clear that if they screw up they are headed to prison for a while.

My issue is that Childrens brains are not capable of making decisions about things that are important/deadly. It's why they cant drive or sign contracts. It's why they can't drink or sign themselves up to be porn actors. They aren't capable of seeing around the corner to what could happen if they make the wrong choice.


I actually laid out a 3 strike system that should work for everyone. If someone breaks into your house and steals your gun no big deal. They dont go to jail they sleep in their own bed at night...they just cant buy any more guns for a year. If their house gets broken into again i am still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but i am not willing to let them continue to supply criminals with firearms. I mean come on...buy a f'n safe so your local crack head cant hold your own gun to your wifes face while he robs and rapes her in the car port. Grow up. But if it happens a 3rd time well then you are either a liar scumbag sideways gun dealer or you are a complete moron who shouldn't be able to touch sharp objects let alone bang bang sticks.

I think the medicine cabinet idea is a great one too. The only reason i am not as worried is that a jar full of pills wont ever kill me or my family. If some junky OD's thats his problem. But yeah...the 3 strike system would probably put an end to the @sshats who sell their medication to drug addicts.

The thing about not dangerous unloaded guns is that no one has an unloaded gun laying around their house. Most idiots have a shell in the chamber. But even if the gun has no bullets...they aren't exactly hard to come by. Bullets are not proprietary.

Well, you are wrong. I, as along with pretty much everyone I know, we're capable from a very young age of comprehending don't touch unless you are with Dad and he says you can. And even then, make sure you only point at things you want to shoot. Pretty simple. Don't punish my kids just because your kids are too stupid. If your kids can't handle it, that's your responsibility to judge and take other measures.


My house has locks on the doors and windows. Why should I be responsible for any more than that? Im not the criminal. A gun in a safe does me no good if someone tries to break in when I'm home. Hold the crack head responsible. Don't blame me if it means the cops might have to actually do some work.


You say that until your brother gets hooked on oxy. You've mentioned your family background before. Given what you've said, I'm sure you've got the addict gene in the blood. It can happen easier than getting shot

What about the kid who finds dads loaded shotgun and plays bugs bunny with it on his baby brother, expecting just a black face when he pulls the trigger. (It's happened)
This is a good reason to keep them locked away and to legislate against having an easily accessible loaded gun in the house. If it's accessible to you any time you feel you need it, then it's accessible to everyone else under your roof as well including your kids friends. Not everyone lives in the Nirvana that is your super responsible well trained nothing go wrong household.

The problem with this attitude is that not everyone is you. Not ever kid is like yours. I have seen at least 4 articles about toddlers killing themselves while being supervised by a responsible parent.


For the same reason that pit bull owners are held responsible when their dog breaks through a screen door or hops over or digs under a fence. If you accept the responsibility of bringing something home that could cause harm to others you should be held accountable.'

To be clear here i am not talking about while you are at home. I am talking about people who make zero effort to secure their weapons ever. Pistol in the sock drawer, rifle in the closet. A gun in your empty house does you no good so why not lock it up so that you don't walk in and find someone sitting on your sofa pointing it back at you? Or walking next door with it and killing your neighbor...


Just so we are clear...if my brother (or anyone i know) starts taking oxy more frequently than subscribed by his doctor and becomes addicted...it's because the sober/grown him decided to break the law and become a junky. Just like when a driver takes himself to the bar and gets drunk. His sober choice is what will kill a whole family on the highway and he should go to jail for murder as far as i am concerned. If that junky that used to be my brother steals or buys oxy from someone and dies because of it i will be said but i wont be arguing to pass legislation to change the current laws because his choice killed him...not me or a classroom of middle school students.

Plenty of drunks and drug addicts in my family. My sister and I are 40 and my brother is 41. None of us are drinkers or drug users. None of us have anything stronger than aspirin in the medicine cabinet. I might drink a 6 pack per year. I only stopped smoking weed and taking acid because i got too old to know anyone who had it at the ripe old age of 23. Occasionally i get lucky around the holidays or family reunions and someone will reunite me with my old friends. My brother might have had 12 beers his whole life and my sister hasn't had a drop since she found Jesus (or Jesus found her) back in the late 90's.

I don't know if its genetic or not but i do know this. My mother is the only one of her siblings that did not drink or do drugs beyond a joint or ten in high school. She says she tried it once but didn't inhale :). I have never seen her take a drink or smoke a cigarette in her life. I didn't start smoking until i was in my 20's when i was surrounded by construction workers taking cigarette breaks and decided to join in. Her brothers and sisters are all drunks/druggies and most of their children are too. Maybe the "gene" skipped my mom or maybe it's really about choice and setting an example.

This is probably the only area where you and i disagree about guns...a little. I think that firearms should be out and accessible when the family is home. I don't know what life is like in Australia but the United States has a huge gap between rich and poor and the poor are getting desperate and daring and often feel as if they have nothing to lose. And sometimes they are just @holes who dont respect life...whatever the case may be...

This is the new America...

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Having said that...weapons should not be unsupervised. Holster them or buy weapons with safetys and keep the safety on.

You worry about the growing Islamic faction and racist divides in the Lollypop Guild, and I'll worry about gun violence in America. Good bye.

No, the first problem in this is understanding that bearing arms is a right, while pet ownership is a privilege. No matter how you like it, that's how the laws are written. Personally, I want a giant Ovcharka laying by the front door to wake me up to retrieve my weapon before my dog brakes a tooth on problem.


My house is locked when I'm not at home. I'm not liable for some thief that breaks in to steal my pioneer Kuro, prescription drugs, or any weapons I have (be them primitive or modern). I locked them up securly before I left.


So we agree, the thief is at fault here. Glad we agree. Case closed.

It might be closed but the thief who came to my house got some pills while the thief who went to yours has what he needs to murder a bunch of people with.

Actually despite the impression i probably leave as i end up arguing with the peanut gallery here. I an not completely opposed to gun ownership. I'm also not completely against them for home defense. But if a gun is left loaded and unattended in an area accessible to anyone you might not want to get a hold of it then you are an irresponsible gun owner. If it's for protection, wear it, or sit it next to you when you sleep. But you would have to be an imbecile to leave loaded weapons accessible to kids, babysitters, kids friends or even someone who breaks in while you are not home.

In terms of gun ownership in general. I am not against it, provided there is a reason to own the gun and the gun you own is practical for the purpose for which it was bought. For example there is no valid reason for the general population to own a machine gun, period.
If you are going to carry at all then there should be compulsory mental competence testing and compulsory gun safety and operational testing. Lets face it, no-one want's Mr.Magoo blasting away in public at the first hint of a raised voice.
Likewise if you are going to carry you should be subject to the same drug and alcohol restrictions as driving a car.
A good deal of my family are sport shooters and own a range of rifles and shotguns. All are also members and active participants of shooting clubs. I myself used to enjoy hunting when i was younger and have also fired handguns at a gun club one of my friends is president of. So i'm not completely anti gun, but do strongly believe in responsible ownership. I also believe being responsible means accepting a little less privilege in order to keep the community safer as a whole. Keeping the guns out of the hands of people that would use them for evil purposes would be number 1 on my list. Every gun currently in the hands of criminals was originally bought legally. Every gun the criminals will acquire in the future will also have been bought legally. How many mass shooting have been done by someone carrying their own guns or the unsecured guns of family. A high percentage of them i'd wager.

I'm dreadfully sorry. I didn't realize this was a USA, USA, USA ..er.....i mean American only forum.

I love how you scream about your rights from the highest mountain. yes start insulting like a little crybaby child as soon as someone expresses their right to an opinion different than yours. How about some comment on the actual points i made instead. If you cannot counter my arguments i can only assume they are valid.

Are you sure you want to discuss the current state of racism in our 2 countries? You would have to be a bigger idiot that you already appear. I'll admit there is some here........but WOW.

You really do argue like a child. So few valid points and so much insulting.

Do all hillbillies believe that throwing out an insult and saying goodbye will actually end a conversation?

I don't see Mensa knocking on your door with a crown and scepter anytime soon.

And the winner of the internet today is........

The difference is, I really don't give two shits what happens in your country. And you aren't near as informed on ours as you think you are.

Not sure what to take from your post.
#1, Not sure if you are or a US citizen, but if you're not a US citizen, why are you pretending your opinion matters to the integrity of this country?
#2, American forum.... Like 1st Ammendment stuff?
#3, "I love how you scream about your rights from the highest mountain. yes start insulting like a little crybaby child as soon as someone expresses their right to an opinion different than yours."


But then you did the same thing yourself.

So people don't die from drug use? I'm not responsible for the actions of a thief. If I leave my guns on the front porch, that would be different.

Just throwing this out there.

The First amendment doesn't apply to private internet forums.

Especially when those forums are owned by a Canadian, hosted by a Canadian company, and reside on servers located in Canada.

thanks.

carry on.