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Topic: | Is it legal to run Zip Cord In wall ? This thread has 93 replies. Displaying posts 76 through 90. |
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Post 76 made on Saturday September 19, 2009 at 13:16 |
On September 19, 2009 at 12:48, sofa_king_CI said...
I have always heard and called it "Lamp Wire" That was only while you wore the lampshade.
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Post 77 made on Saturday September 19, 2009 at 15:55 |
Ernie Bornn-Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On September 19, 2009 at 12:48, sofa_king_CI said...
I have always heard and called it "Lamp Wire" That's because zip cord, 18-2 sPT-2 to be exact, is usually used as lamp wire. Lamp wire's a pretty good name, too. It's just vocabulary and what you're used to calling things. If you haven't heard this one before, check it out at [Link: rickwalton.com]That very night the servant woke her master up in a fright and said: "Master of all Masters, get out of your barnacle and put on your squibs and crackers. For white-faced simminy has got a spark of hot cockalorum on its tail, and unless you get some pondalorum, High Topper Mountain will be all on hot cockalorum!"
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Post 78 made on Saturday September 19, 2009 at 15:58 |
sofa_king_CI Super Member |
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On September 19, 2009 at 13:16, BMaxey said...
That was only while you wore the lampshade. I looked sexy too, like the Leg Lamp in Xmas Story
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Post 79 made on Saturday September 19, 2009 at 16:01 |
Ernie Bornn-Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On September 19, 2009 at 15:58, sofa_king_CI said...
I looked sexy too, like the Leg Lamp in Xmas Story You did? I'm sofa king glad I missed it!
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Post 80 made on Saturday September 19, 2009 at 16:16 |
Mr. Stanley Elite Member |
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Actually, it's only illegal if you get caught!
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"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger." Frank Lloyd Wright
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Post 81 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 20:35 |
theKevin Senior Member |
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you know, as funny as this thread is, and as one poster even asked for a refund after reading it, i gotta say: i have been doing this for almost a decade and i admit i never thought about the fact that 100W into 8Ohms means 28.28V, and that if you have a 140W amp powering 8Ohm speakers, you need CL3 rated speaker wire to be code compliant. Honestly, how many people here make that distinction between amps of different power?
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Post 82 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 20:43 |
theKevin Senior Member |
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i realize my experience is relatively limed, especially compared to many posters here, but how many of you have ever seen or heard of an inspector checking the impedance and power of a low voltage installation? i'm sure it's happened, but in the real world i don't think it happens 1% of the time, at least in the world of residential av.
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Post 83 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 21:23 |
GLS Active Member |
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On September 15, 2009 at 16:36, FreddyFreeloader said...
Yes, I can only hope that I have good, fresh, toxic-free air to breathe next time I'm HANGING OUT in a burning building. It can be burning, or more importantly, smoldering, in the plenum and you may never know it until you wake up dead.
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Post 84 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 22:08 |
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On September 17, 2009 at 03:03, 39 Cent Stamp said...
I know. Thats why i quoted it. 50 posts and no one has been able to completely finish this sentence.
"You cant install lamp cord aka ZipCord in walls or ceilings because_____" NEC 400.8 (2008 code) Uses not permitted: Unless specifically permitted in 400.7, flexible cords and cable shall not be used for the following: (1) As a substitute for the fixed wiring of a structure (2) Where run through holes in walls, structural ceilings, suspended ceilings, dropped ceilings, or floors (3) Where run through doorways, windows, or similar openings (4) Where attached to building structures. I didn't have any zipcord, but I looked at a cheap extension cord that I had that is essentially zipcord with ends on it, and it is stamped SPT-2. The trade name is plastic parallel cord and the uses are for refrigerators, room air conditioners and as permitted in 422.16(B) which covers waste disposers, and other appliances. It is basically the plastic cord you see on most everything. (Don't get picky about that description) It is rated for damp and wet locations and not hard usage. So regardless of voltage etc, the NEC tells you where that cord/cable is allowed to be used. I think you are going to find that even though LV has been overlooked in the past, the AHJ's etc are going to start looking closer at what is being installed in homes and businesses.
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Post 85 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 22:15 |
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On September 17, 2009 at 02:17, Bonavox said...
Yes we Can..........
..........put it in conduit.
This service announcement has been brought to you by the "liberal" media... It's not listed for use in conduit.
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OP | Post 86 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 23:12 |
39 Cent Stamp Elite Member |
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It didn't occur to me to look at an actual lamp cord until your post. I just dug out a brown extension cord and its also stamped SPT-2. Now my girlfriend is wondering why im going around the house looking at all the lamps :).
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Post 87 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 23:23 |
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But did the post answer your question?
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OP | Post 88 made on Sunday September 20, 2009 at 23:47 |
39 Cent Stamp Elite Member |
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Yes. My confusion was based on the terminology being used incorrectly throughout the thread. All of the responses were like this.
"you cant use it because its not this" or "this section of that says its not to be used here" etc. There wasn't a complete sentence that said :
This is what its called.
This is why its not allowed.
This is where that rule is covered in the NEC.
Your post did that, thanks. But no mention of CL-2, CL-3, Plenum etc. Everyone responding to this thread was SURE they had the answer so....
Im going to assume that the NEC can cover a specific cables usage in multiple ways and stick to my "because i said so" response to anyone who asks me.
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Post 89 made on Monday September 21, 2009 at 00:37 |
2nd rick Super Member |
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Why can't 39 cent use kite string as a flat panel bracket?
Incomplete answers will not be tolerated.
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Rick Murphy Troy, MI |
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OP | Post 90 made on Monday September 21, 2009 at 00:40 |
39 Cent Stamp Elite Member |
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On September 21, 2009 at 00:37, 2nd rick said...
Why can't 39 cent use kite string as a flat panel bracket?
Incomplete answers will not be tolerated. Because 39 Cent is not 2nd Rick. Adding this.... It appears that samsung does not agree with us.
Last edited by 39 Cent Stamp on September 21, 2009 01:11.
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