Not that I really want to be involved, but I think what you meant to say Vincent was: then go outside and play hide and go f@#k yourself.

I just happen to get a kick out of somebody bashing another's lack of effort to double check their posts, when they can't get thier own right.

...sorry :)

it amazes me how you guys can turn on each other like this.   we are all in the same boat here, lets calm down and act like professionals.  you never know when you have a question, and the guy that you are insulting has the answer.   can you guys afford to burn bridges like this?   i just hope that potential clients don't read these threads...

AA - How's Procurve working out for you? I thought you used the "Cisco" Linksys or Netgear crap...

You wanna see a kick ass installation, I'll post some pics of what AMX can do and throw this whole argument upside down. I would actually prefer Crestron/Room View (shocker!), but AMX/Autopatch/RMS is doing ok; I'm not too pleased with the build quality of the hardware, but RMS is sweet. Unfortunately you're gonna have to wait until the end of the year, it's a six month long project.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet that really completes the whole project and is the number one item which differentiates the good guys from the slammers is documentation. I provide a complete volume of AV drawings - layouts for floor and ceiling, elevations of displays, video coverage patterns, audio coverage patterns, A/V wiring diagrams, and Control System wiring diagrams.

Labels are great, pre-printed labels are better, but they both require some sort of planning; I love the Brady sheets and software, they are a huge time saver. The two examples that have been given representing Crestron and C4 were obviously not well thought out.

Both platforms are great in their own respects, and we can complain all day long and eat at each others egos until we explode about why one is better than the other.

(insert Special Olympics / arguing graphic here)

But seriously, let's all just kick each others ass in annual net profit and brag about that...

I couldn't agree more DT. I know for a fact that a few of the DIYer Architects and Builders that I know, including a couple LV companies I do contract work with review these same threads we share our input on.

I can't believe that some of these people might actually OWN companies providing these services. I wonder how many of them are just employees... imagine what a decent owner might think or do if they found an employee posting some of this crap.

I'll say this: I have designed, sold, installed, and programmed millions of dollars worth of AV systems, and most of those systems included Crestron in one way or another. I have looked at Control4 a few times, as a possible low-end system that can "get me in the door". I decided that with what I saw, I didn't neet to go htrough that door, or even go down that road. C4 leaves a lot to be desired.

Ok I think we're all adults here (in some way) so please stop your pointless flaming, also let me end your discussions with one word: "AMX"

And the Crestron vs Control4 discussion is also pointless, as it's obvious Crestron can do more.

However this should be about Crestron Prodigy vs Control4, period.

If Prodigy is just going to be a Control4 clone, then I see no real application for it. Unless it's gonna be cheaper, or upgradeable to more advanced Crestron systems (which it seems is unable to do for now)

The way I see the market right now is:

                    AMX                             - The candles
                --Crestron--                       - The frosting
               |           |
        --- Control4 / Prodigy ---               - The pie
        |                         |
  ------------ RTI / Pronto -----------      - The base
  |___________________________________|

The reason I place Crestron below AMX is pretty much because the Crestron software is so "1999" where the AMX software is "2002"

Control4 / Prodigy speaks for itself (though prodigy still needs to prove itself, where Control4 already did, I love their iPhone app btw (though they should include it for free with their systems (and I don't even have an iPhone (yet))))

RTI / Pronto, RTI is below pronto for me actually purely because 2-way isn't working very well yet, and because the build quality of their products is crap (never had issues like this with pronto, crestron, amx or control4) also even though pronto isn't exactly a 'great' player on the market their software's interface is way better than any of the other control systems I've mentioned.

Also URC isn't in there because I don't know it, as it just isn't a player on the European market.

And yes I did just make a multi-layered digi-pie

@Kevin, that's pretty much how 70% of our racks go out. And yours looks really good :) (I'll post some pics when I get to a location where it's installed and done.)

@MikeZTC we've had no issues with the hardware as of yet

@TheGuysActingImmatureOnTheInternet Please, you can't prove your points to each other, as you all believe in your own solutions, and that's fine. Just don't argue with each other when it's obvious you're not going to convince the other nor prove your point. So please get back on the subject: "Prodigy" (If I were a mod here your posts would've been deleted and you guys would've been warned, unfortunately I'm not a mod, so you need not fear)

Also I'd like to see some more awesome installation pics.

.....and with that, this thread just reached the potential for a whole new level of fun....

I got two more..

Phast & MAX server. The ugly step children of AMX.

Probably the reason we never use them? (I prefer Kaleidescape)

Do they even still sell Phast?

Though I have to agree with you, quite ugly indeed :)

The reason I said AMX, is just from the programming/designing point of view

The sony dst system is going to revolutionize the entry level market................................oops my bad that was 15 years ago.........................opps they got sued by xantech for patenet infringement.

You may need to clear out a larger space between the frosting and the pie and add HomeLogic. If you guys are leaving out HomeLogic, you have not done your homework. I understand they do not have the market share or advertise as much, but they are out there and very competitive. The system scales better than Control4 and can compete with a mid sized Crestron or AMX system. Read up on these guys, they may be the sweet spot for many dealers.

Nerieru, what do you mean by Crestron is so 1999 and AMX is 2002. Im not trying to flame anyone, just curious what can you do with AMX that you cant do with a Crestron System. Im a Crestron guy and was contemplating learning how to program AMX.

I'm talking about how the software works, looks and feels. Not about the actual products, hence I said I feel like I'm in 1999 when I use Crestron, because it gives me the windows 98 vibe. AMX gives me the windows XP vibe (Might've been 2003 though)

Don't worry I didn't see it as a flame whatsoever


I also left out Vantage (which I'd place between crestron and control4) for that matter, it's just because they aren't brands discussed here often. I also wouldn't place HomeLogic there, rather pronto-ish (if not lower)

I am not getting involved with this one. From the perspective of a newish C4 dealer and a previous Crestron dealer who is picking up the line again....I have seen some of the stupidest...most childish claims and remarks of any thread I ever read. This thread reminds me why I usually choose to hang out at IntegrationPros.com . I am not judging Prodigy until it is out for a year and they "finish up" the line. Right now it is not a complete lineup.

"Can't we all just get along"

I have ONE more... FROX.