PHS Jason, I just got Samsung to add discrete inputs and on off codes for my 63 inch plasma. I have the firmware ready to go. Problem is I cant get the right information from them on how to get the discretes into my remote. I use a HTM MX800 and can use HTM or ccf files. What I have is a list of two or three digit code that my contact says in the hex code. It reads like this:

Hex Function
On 99
Off 98
RF 1B
Video C1
SVideo 85
Com. 1 43
Com. 2 FD
DVI FF
PC 69

Since receiveing this, I have learned that their code structure is:

Custom Code (8 bit) + Custom Code (8 bit) + Data code (8 bit) + Data code (8bit) bar

and he wrote:

For example, MTS(00)

07h + 07h + 00h + FFh

So, from this, is there anyway for you to take the information and put them in a ccf file? Or do you need more information to do this? FWIW, the DLP discrete on/off works on on the plasma, but the inputs don't. I am hoping that the basic code or hex structure would be the same for the on off as for the discretes, and therefore you or another more talented programmer than me could take the on/off dlp discrete base code and use the information above to make the new input discretes.

Thanks for any help.

FWIW - HTM has been very willing to work with me and has proven to be very helpful so far. My contact there tells me that they need more informaation so that is the reason for checking with the pronto community.

E. J.

E.J. I found several ccf files out there this morning in the pronto portion of file downloads on this site that contain the discrete codes for HLN series televisions. I am currently running them on my pocket pc and I will let you know if they work. I have a brand new HLN467W with software from July 2003 build 302 ( i think ).

[Link: remotecentral.com]

This message was edited by trottintrails on 10/14/03 11:27.

If the DLP codes work for on and off, then your TV responds to device code 7(this may not be the device code. According to the example, it may be 7.7. If you can post the learned power commands and tv/video command from the OEM remote, We can verify it). unfortunately, the codes you listed above are the same values for the input codes for the DLP. I would assume that either the TV does not have discrete codes, or, that the device code is different.

Jason

I have tested and confirmed that the link above for the ccf file for the DISCRETE CODES FOR INPUT CHANGING works beautifully on my new HLN467W television. FINALLY, no thanks to samsung, I can program my pioneer remote to switch inputs when I change between DVD, TV/SAT (dvr box), and VCR2 (HD box), CD (sound for ANT in).

NOTE: I don't have a pronto but found a program for the Pocket PC from http://www.pdawin.com called TV Remote controller that will run Pronto .ccf files. Then if you have a learning remote you can capture the IR output from the Pocket PC. I tested the .ccf on my DLP and the discrete codes for changing inputs work fine. Now All I have to do is transfer the IR output to my Pioneer VSX-45TX learning remote and I am set. I too emailed Samsung and got the Cryptic .XLS file.

This message was edited by trottintrails on 10/14/03 15:14.

Jason, so it would be safe to assume that if discrete power works, the TV should be able to already accept discrete input codes too? I have tried all the discretes from the DLP sets from this and other threads wo no avail. I wonder if I just need to upgrade the firmware and then the codes for the DLP should work? i have not wanted to update the firmware since I couldn't gt the codes from Samsung. But if you are saying that it should work, then i will do it.

As a follow up to your question, the learned codes for the on/off are the same as the dlp. What exactly would you like me to post from the original remote? I can only do it in a HTM .mxd file though as I have no pronto capability.

So if you can clarify, I will do what I can. I would love to put this issue to bed somehow.

Many thanks,

E. J.

E.J.

Even if the discrete codes from the DLP function, there is no guarantee that the input codes exist for the plasma. The existence of discrete codes is part of the TV's firmware. Often times a manufacturer will use variations of the same code set on more than one model for economic reasons. Just because the firmware in one set accepts the discretes, that still means another set of the same model # may not have them. If Samsung is offering to upgrade the firmware in your Plasma to get the discrete codes, then it is just a question of whether or not the firmware upgrade is worth it to you. Firmware upgrades often contain more than just codes sets however, and there may updates to other functions of your set.
There is also a chance that your plasma while responding to device code 7 may be using a different device code. E-mail me and I will send you a variation of the discrete codes. I would post it here, but if it doesn't function, I don't want to get flamed for other people using it.

Jason

!!UPDATE.
My learning remote Learns the discrete codes but fails to actually do anything when you try and run one. Is there a problem with how long the code is pulsed from the Pocket PC? Any programs out there for my laptop with IR that I can capture and resent from my laptop? HELP. PLEASE.

The PDA may not be repeating the code. In order for some remotes to learn a code, they must see it at least twice. Some PDAs(or other remotes) do not repeat the code even though you hold the button down. Try varying the distance from the PDA to the learing remote. Try pressing the button on the PDA for different lenghts of time. It may take a quick tap 3 inches from the Learig remote, it may take a 3 second hold from 3 feet away. There may also be a function in the software that allows the remote to repeat codes. You can also copy the command multiple times in the software to create a macro that repeats the command when you press the button on the PDA. Lighting in the room can also have an effect. There have been some issues with learning codes out of universal remotes. I have had the same problem when learning from a Pronto to other remotes. Often it is just a matter of timing and distance.


Jason

Ya, someone told me to turn on night shot on my video camera to see what the signal is doing coming out of the pocket pc. My first thought last night was to see if the software had a repeat function, it doesn't. I tried pushing the button several times, I think the macro is where it might be the best. I will have to give it a try. That's why it would sure be nice to have a software that could read my IR input on my PC. Then I could input everthing I wanted to do, and then output it back out to the same remote via IR.

according to the formula for calculating the code, the codes that were in the above file link for CCF were incorrect. The 8bit blocks didn't compliment each other like they were supposed to. I will try again when I get home to see if the work now. I read somewhere where it says if they don't match, then an error occurs.

What formula.


I think you misunderstood which 8 bit blocks are supposed to compliment each other.

There are four 8 bit blocks. The fourth on is supposed to be the compiment of the third and it is correct in every sample in that CCF file.

The second 8 bit block is supposed to be the same as the first, not the compliment of the first and that also is correct in every sample in that file.

This protocol is very similar to the older form of NEC (still used by Toshiba etc.) in which the second block is supposed to be the compliment of the first. You may be looking at documentation on that protocol and thinking it applies to this one. In the more common NEC protocol, the second block is an independent piece of information (what we call "subdevice") and typically not equal to either the first block or its compliment.

Cool. Thanks for the information. I don't have a pronto and am trying to run this on my pocket pc to teach my pioneer learning remote so that I can run a macro. But the pocket pc is only sending out one burst and holding the key does nothing til you let go, then it sends the one burst. Any idea on how to circumvent this. Can I use my laptop with IR as a remote to teach the Pioneer remote? If so, what programs will allow me to do so? Thanks in advance.

p.s. I was using IRtool to try and figure out the hex ir command. What is the Device number for the HLN. Also, I have the hex command xls from Samsung and the cycles says 108 but the ccf's above are 109 (006c and 006D, respectively)? In that file it lists the command in hex for component 2 as FD. Do I place the decimal translation (253) to that in the command blank in IR tool? I realize that IR tool will generate the compliment to the device and can change that manually (based off of what you said the blocks should be).

This message was edited by trottintrails on 10/17/03 09:56.

The IR window on your laptop is for PC to PC communication and I have never heard of anyone being able to use it to send IR commands to a TV. I suggest using the PC software to creat a repeating macro then try re-learning the commands varying distance between remotes.


Jason

This is what samsung wrote me back after I asked them what the heck I was supposed to do with that cryptic crap they sent me in the XLS file.

"Please contact the manufacturer of your programmable remote control. We do not have any information on the programming process involved with different remote controls from other manufacturers. The manufacturer of the IR remote control will tell you whether you need to convert the two-digit discreet code into binary or decimal form and how to do it. You may also try talking to a local audio video specialty dealer who can convert our published HEX codes through an IR generator."

Totally Unacceptable

Get a hold of a uei made OFA/RS remote, using setup code TV0060 and the above advanced codes, then teach them to your learning remote. The radio shack 15-2103 is $16, it has a 30 return on it.